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American Family Radio celebrates America's 250th anniversary next year

>> Walker Wildmon: We inform religious freedom is about people of faith being able to live out their faith, live out their convictions, no matter where they are. We equip sacred honor is the courage to speak truth, to live out your free speech. We also rejoice in our sufferings because we know that suffering produces perseverance, perseverance, character and character.

>> Jeff Chamblee: This is at the core on American Family Radio.

>> Walker Wildmon: Welcome, to the corps here on American Family Radio. Glad to have you with us on today's edition of the show. It's the week of July 4th, celebrating America's independence. 249 years. And the only reason I can do the math that quickly is because next year is 250. 20, 26 is 250. With, 1776 being our year of independence. And, Bobby, the Trump administration is all in on the 250th anniversary.

>> Walker Wildmon: Should be good. I hear they made the location that was pretty friendly to the administration, but I can't exactly remember where that location will be.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, the Rushmore. Ish.

>> Walker Wildmon: Are they going to do it again?

>> Walker Wildmon: I think they're going to revisit it. I think they're going to do something at Rushmore. I don't know whether it'll be put.

>> Walker Wildmon: His face on Rushmore one day.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, right. The anniversary or. Or what. But I'm sure Rushmore will play a role.

>> Walker Wildmon: I would think so. It'd be a good location for it.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, for sure. Well, that's what's going on this week. And as we remember America's independence, let's not forget, the thousands of American lives that have been lost in war over, the two centuries plus. And, the fact that without patriots before us, we would not have the freedom and, the country that we have today. So people sacrificed for us for future generations, and, we need more of that. Honestly, we need more of that type. Stewardship and patriotism. And look, patriotism isn't a bad word. The left tries to make patriotism a toxic word, a negative word. They say, oh, you can't be a Christian and a patriot at the same time. Oh, yes, you can. Oh, yes, you can. ask, ask our founding fathers about that. Ask George Washington about that. So, being a patriot just simply means that you love your country and you love your fellow man. And loving your fellow man is actually biblical. Love your neighbor as yourself. so, there's a lot of our founding precepts that is rooted in Christianity. That's a fact. That's where we get A lot of these values sets from Proverbs 15. Speaking of value sets. Proverbs 15, verse 1. A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger. That's our scripture for today. Proverbs chapter one. A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

The House passed their version of the tax bill; the Senate passed its version

Well, President Trump is hoping for the one big, beautiful belt across his desk in the next few days. His goal has been July 4th. I don't know if that will happen. We'll see. I don't want to say it won't happen, but here's where we are. The House passed their version. Pretty good version, pretty happy with it. It defunded, Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers through Medicaid reimbursements for up to 10 years. It's a big deal. Defunding abortion providers for 10 years is a big pro life victory. The, original House version fully funds the entire border wall. The House version continued and extended in permanency the President Trump tax cuts from 2017. The House version increased the child tax credit from 2000 to 2500 annually per child. And I could go on and on and on. It also has some provisions on AI. It has some provisions on, which I do have some concerns about the AI topic, but it, has provisions on American, manufacturing. It financially incentivizes American reshoring of America's manufacturing base and industries. And so there was a lot of good there. But just the fact that we're actually talking about defunding abortion providers in law is a big, big victory. Funding the entire border wall is a huge. So I don't want to lose perspective, because if you listen to some, including Rand Paul and Thomas Massie, this is a terrible bill. I mean, even Elon Musk, this is a terrible bill. This is the worst bill ever. No, it's not. I've seen a lot of worse bills. This, this bill has a lot of conservative victories in it, and I don't want us to forget that. And President Trump is right when he says that and Stephen Miller, that, you know, maybe conservatives just don't know how to win anymore. We're so used to oppose, oppose, oppose, fight, fight, fight, that when we're in charge, we don't even know what to do. And then we have these in House fights. But where the legislation is now is. It has just left the Senate as of yesterday, and it's heading back over to the House. And the Senate did make some changes. So let's be honest about that. Let's note the Changes that I'm aware of. The Senate removed or reduced the Planned Parenthood and abortion provider defunding from 10 years to 11 year. which I think is, it's better than nothing, but it's still not strong enough. I don't know. That doesn't even make sense. You move it from 10 years to one year, that's going to put a small dent in Planned Parenthood's coffers. They're a multi billion dollar so called nonprofit. And so I think that's weak. I think it's weak. I'm not happy about it. Ten years to one year, Are you kidding me? Nonetheless, the defunding of abortion providers is still in the Senate version that is now headed back to the House of Representatives. The cuts, the spending cuts are roughly the same. The debt ceiling is still being increased, the border wall is still being funded. So a lot of the other main provisions are still intact and we'll see where it goes from here. But that's where we are. The Senate has the Republicans have blamed the parliamentarian for stripping out some of the conservative provisions in the legislation. And that's a, that's, that's their, their, their fall guy or in this case their fall gal because it's a female parliamentarian. Let me just go on.

Florida Congressman Greg Stube calls for Senate parliamentarian to be fired

While we've got a few minutes left, let me just give you a little rant about the parliamentarian. But before I do, let's listen to clip 2. Here is a response to this parliamentarian role and position in the Senate and how it shouldn't be around. Clip 2.

>> Speaker D: Florida Congressman Greg Stube joins me now.

>> Walker Wildmon: Congressman A, ah, number of Republicans are.

>> Speaker D: Saying that, you know, the parliamentarian should.

>> Walker Wildmon: Either be overruled or even fired as a result of what's happened on the big beautiful bill. Where do you stand on that?

>> Speaker D: Yeah, I had called for her to be fired. I don't think that one person who's unelected, who got appointed over a decade ago, should be the one deciding what stays in and what doesn't. Lawmakers who are elected by their constituents across the country should make those decisions. We have the majority in the House, we have the majority in the Senate. And oh, by the way, she was appointed by Harry Reid, a Democrat. so why wouldn't Thune want to replace her with a Republican appointee and in a Republican majority in the Senate? So we've certainly called for that. Thune has said he's not going to do that. so they're going to move forward. But unfortunately she has struck a number of very conservative provisions and policy provisions that were attached to these different spending provisions in the one big beautiful bill, which has made it very difficult from a cost perspective because the amount of savings that we were saving on the House bill that we sent to the Senate is much less than it was before because of the cuts that she made over on the Senate side.

>> Walker Wildmon: There you have it. The parliamentarian. Here's how this works, folks. All right? The parliamentarian is just like a, it's a, it's a referee hired by the Senate, all right? It's a, it's an office concocted by the Senate. It is not constitutional, it hasn't always been there. And the Senate has these, these arcane rules that they go by. And this is, this has really become the problem. All right, so if we want to talk about problems, this is what, when it comes to Congress, this is the problem, all right? The problem is that the Senate has created themselves. This isn't coming from an external force. The Senate has created all these jumbled up rules and made it to where doing business in the Senate is overly complicated. And if you talk to the Senate, and we've talked to the Senate about this, and we've talked to Senators about this, here's what their response is going to be. I can just tell you and I can play the clips. The Senate is the most deliberative body on the earth. The Senate is the longest standing institution in America. The Senate is intended by our founders to be a slow working body, a deliberative body that represents the whole of America. They go through all these fancy words and these virtuous sentences about how great the Senate is and the Senate this and the Senate that, and the Senate can do no wrong. And the Senate's here to save the day. The reality is the Senate has created all this jumbled up, confusing garbage rules, including the office of the parliamentarian, so that they don't have to make hard decisions. And the same thing happened, remember, let's remember the same thing happened with the, the repealing, Obamacare under Trump 1. Remember the, the, the emphatic McCain thumbs down? That bill got weakened through the parliamentarian. And so the Senate created this office of the parliamentarian to be like this referee and interpreter of the rules. And then whenever the Senate doesn't want to make hard decisions, they just say, well, you know, the parliamentarian said we can't do this. What? The parliamentarian? Who elected the parliamentarian? Well, we did. Okay, so if the parliamentarian says you can't do this and a majority want to do it, then, then you override the parliamentarian or you just fire the parliamentarian, it doesn't matter to me. And so our, our system of government has been so, so corrupted, so broken and so mangled up that the way it's operating today, I can tell you 100% is not how our founding fathers intended it. And they can come up with all these fancy excuses about how great the Senate is and the Senate is, deliberative and the Senate is smart and the Senate is blah, blah, blah. But the reality is the Senate has become the place where everything goes to become worse. They couldn't. Unless they want to get something done for their own self interest, then they can get 60 votes. Remember, we are where we are, where we have to go through this dumb reconciliation process where you got to get 51 votes and you can only do it once a year. And you and I have to spend who knows how many hours trying to. If we want to truly understand this, we have to spend all this time trying to understand what on earth are these rules? Who is the parliamentarian? How come some bills need 60, some bills need 51 votes? What on earth are these folks doing? Our founding fathers did not intend for it to be this complicated. Here's what should happen. And my statement on what should happen and how things should be is applicable. Whether Joe Biden's in the White House, Nancy Pelosi is in the Speakership, Our Donald Trump's in the White House and Mike Johnson's in the Speakership. I don't care who's in charge. This is how it should work. Legislation, specifically spending, has to originate in the House of Representatives per the Constitution. The House passes legislation with a simple majority, which is 200 and roughly 215, 216, maybe 218. There's 435. So you divide that by two. The Senate passes, the the same legislation goes to the Senate. This is the process per the Constitution. And the Senate passes the legislation with a simple majority, not 60 votes. That's not what the Constitution says. With a simple majority, 51 votes in the Senate. If both chambers agree on the legislation, it goes to the President's desk. If the President signs it, it's law in the story. There is nothing in the Constitution, unless you're talking impeachment about needing a super majority or 60 plus votes, that none of that is in the constitution. You get 51% in the House, 51% in the Senate, and the President signs it into discussion and you can give me all the apocalyptic scenarios about. Well, if the Democrats were in charge of, they would, they would repeal the Second Amendment with a simple majority. Okay, let's do it. Let's see how it goes.

American Family Association vice president Walker Wildmon leads Bible tours in 2026

Hello everybody. I'm Walker Wildmon, vice President here at American Family Association. Well, my brother Wesley and I were following in the footsteps of, my dad, our dad, and my grandfather, Don Wildmon, by leading tours to places of the Bible. And so this next March we're going to be going to Greece and following the footsteps of Paul. So we're so very excited about this trip and we'll hope you'll join us. Here's a couple of the places that we're going to visit. We're going to visit Philippi, Thessalonica, Corinth, and all the various Greek cities that you read about in the Book of Acts and Paul's epistles. And so you can find the dates, locations, pricing and much more [email protected] you can also find out more about my dad's trip and my mom over, to Israel. They're going to be in Israel in March as well. These trips are back to back and you can do both if you would like. All the information about footsteps of Paul, Greece, Israel, all of these trips in March of 2026, just visit wildman group.com.

>> Jeff Chamblee: At the core podcast are [email protected] now back to at the Corps on American Family Radio.

American Family Radio will be traveling to Israel and Greece in 2026

>> Walker Wildmon: Welcome back to the Core here on American Family Radio. Well, as you just heard there, we'll be going to Greece and Israel in the spring. I know that seems like forever away, but it's really not. we're already halfway through the year and so in March we'll be going to Israel and Greece back to back. Two separate tours though. So if you want to go on one or the other, that's fine. And if you want to do both, you can do that as well. So we'll be going to Israel and then Greece with the Greece trip being a new trip. And we'll be trekking the footsteps of Paul there in, Greece, going to multiple cities that you read about in the Bible and studying all about Paul's footsteps. So that's going to be in the spring and March of 2026. If you want to check that out and look at the itinerary and all the information, you can go over to wildman group.com wildman group.com well, I do want to introduce our next guest Richard Harris is with us and he's executive director at Truth and Liberty Coalition and he's with us now to talk about immigration and the effects it has on our country.

Andrew Wommack founded Truth and Liberty Ministries to promote Christian government

Hey Richard, welcome to the program.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Great to be with you, Walker. Thanks for having me on.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely. Well, Richard, tell us a little bit about your background and some of the work you guys do and then we'll jump right into the topic.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Sure, absolutely. Well, my background is professionally trained as an attorney, practiced law for over 20 years until the Lord, called us to kind of leave that behind to pursue a call to ministry and directed us to Andrew Wommack Ministries based here in Colorado. my wife and I and our kids came out and we went through three years of Bible college, and that was an amazing life changing experience. But then began to connect with Andrew with regard to his desire to influence the culture and government. And we launched a government school at our Bible college here, Charis Bible College. And then also launched a Truth and Liberty Coalition and Truth and Liberty foundation, which our, our goal, our mission is to educate, unify and mobilize the body of Christ to stand for truth in the public square. Much, like American Family, we're kind of in this together and trying to equip the church to you know, be salt and light in our culture. So we've got a program that we do, we mobilize voters. We have a resources center on our website, try real hard to promote, and collaborate with other organizations so that the church can understand all the resources that are out there, like all the great stuff that you guys are doing and everything else. So that's that's what we're about.

>> Walker Wildmon: Richard.

Walker: Illegal immigration is a crisis that conservatives say it is

The, topic of illegal immigration obviously is, has been a very prominent topic in the last decade or so, specifically with President Trump's campaigns in, in 2015 and now, with his second term as president. And so and this, this issue, polls up there in the top three or four at least, I would say, that is immigration. so the immigration. Is this really a crisis? Is this really the problem that conservatives say it is?

>> Jeff Chamblee: Well, I'd say absolutely it is. you know, we don't even really know, Walker, how many illegal aliens are in our country. best estimates put it at somewhere between 12 and million people have crossed our borders illegally. And the problem is this isn't really a racist thing or anything like that. The problem is that if you don't have Borders, you don't have a country. Right. There's no such thing as a nation without borders. because if you don't know where your country starts and another one, begins, then what's the point of all of it? And furthermore, without, border enforcement, you really don't have any security. It's like leaving your front door open and unlocked all night long, even when you're away on vacation and you don't know who's going to come in and rob you, steal you, attack you. There's no difference. So we have. Now in America, we have, I think in 2024, there were, it's estimated there were 35,000, people who crossed the border into America who are convicted of crimes already in the countries they came from. These are rapists, murderers, thieves, drug dealers, you know, wife beaters. Ah, people with domestic crimes. M. Just anything you can think of. Not to mention now, thousands of Chinese nationals. We don't know what they're doing here, why they came. I mean, we can suspect with good reason. right. Not to mention, thousands of people from countries that sponsor terrorism, and, we can only imagine what they're up to. So, yes, it's a crisis. And I just want to say thank God for, Donald Trump and a leader who has the courage and conviction to take a stand and to enforce the laws that are on the books, to keep America safe. And it has nothing to do with hating other countries or cultures. It has to do with being, the government fulfilling its responsibility to defend our liberties.

>> Walker Wildmon: Let's get into, the reasoning behind where we are today. And much of this is going to be, theorizing or predicting or trying to read into people's intentions. But, but, but, but just looking at the crisis that it is and then just kind of walking away really isn't helpful in understanding the. What, what, what, what's going on here. So there's basically a couple theories out there that, one of these has to be true. Maybe it's some mix of a few, and it probably depends on who we're talking about when it comes to motives and int. But just this. Open our doors. Let. Let under Biden now over 10 million. And the Trump administration, they actually say it's higher than that. They've been using the, they've been using 15 and 20 million under Biden, which is astronomical. over the course of four years, who knows what the real number is? It's, it's tens of, It's, It's Millions. Let's just say that. But what is this about labor? Is this about cheap labor? Is this about Democrat votes? What's the best, the best theory to operate under as far as why on earth our leaders would allow this type of invasion at this level for this sustained period of time?

>> Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, well, that's a great question. You know, to some extent we're, we're grasping in the dark because patriotic, Americans and God fearing Americans don't think this way. And so we're trying to figure, figure this out is why are they doing this to our country? Well, I think one of the primary things we need to understand is the globalist agenda of the Marxist elite. so Open Borders is an agenda item of the Great Reset. It's an agenda item of Davos because they want to eliminate the nation states as really as sovereign entities so that they can establish they're, they're Marxist, and you know, environment. It's, it's Marxism, environmentalism and LGBTQ and then the CRT, all of that mixed into this left wing meloo of satanic doctrine, all coming from the globalist elite. And, and that's I think the most important thing. The second thing is that the leftists in America realize that it works to their political advantage. And so, you know, yes, illegal immigrants are voting in America's elections. and so that's it. But even more so, even if you take the fraud element out of our elections, what happens with 15 million illegals concentrated in blue states is the census count goes up for those blue states, which means they have more representation in Congress. If you want to think of it, Walker, it's kind of like when the nation was founded and the slave states wanted to count their slaves as, as full human beings but didn't want to let them vote. It's a kind of a similar thing here. The, the corrupt left wants their numbers as high as possible. and so we know from analysis now, that in actuality, the Democrats would have somewhere between three to five fewer representatives in the House than they would if, if our borders had been closed. And so yeah, it's, it's just really criminal when you think about it. It's almost, it's not almost. It is seditious, it's, it's traitorous. it's a rejection of their, their duty to the country. But I think those are the two main ideas and then the economics of it. So if I can just finish this answer. You know, this has been going on for a long time, as you pointed out. And you might remember when George Bush, was president, the, the son, George Walker, W. Bush, he said, oh, we, we need to have amnesty because, you know, so we can. These, these folks are coming in because they'll do jobs Americans won't do. Right. This whole idea that we can't get Americans to do the work that the illegals are doing, this is, the big corporations are looking at it as well and saying, hey, you know, this does kind of lower, wage costs. And so we like that too. So we're going to align with the left on this deal. and that is also, you know, wrong thinking as well, because if we control our immigration and what that is going to mean, Americans will do the work that needs to be done. It's just the, that they're going to get paid more. And so we're going to have a higher standard of living, a higher wage for blue, collar workers in America. We've already seen this. It's already happening. I saw last week that blue collar wages are on the way up under Trump, and I think it's directly related to his enforcement of immigration.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, I agree.

Walker White says illegal immigration is driving wages down in the United States

And another concern here, once again we're talking to Richard Harris with the Truth and Liberty Coalition about, illegal immigration and the effects it has on our country. Another thing, Richard, is that with AI and robotics, we're heading into a different era than we've been in in the last 50 years. Meaning the labor requirements are going to change. The sheer number of people in the workforce is going to go down as far as the need there now, they'll always be different niches in the economy where you'll always have to have humans, at least for the foreseeable future. But my point is this couldn't have happened at a worse time. Meaning we've got, we've got over 10 million illegal immigrants just in the recent four or five years that are in our country, assuming most of them are working in some way through defying, the you know, the work requirement laws that we have on the books and they're working illegally in the United States. And then we've got AI coming on. And Americans are currently getting laid off. I mean, laid off. I mean Microsoft just laid off 9,000, 9,000 employees, in part because of AI. I just think that this has the potential to be a real problem beyond what it already is today with AI and robotics, where if we don't cut off the spigot and then get the illegals out of the country, then you're going to have illegal immigrants without jobs and Americans without jobs.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Well, that's a great point. You know, I, I can't say that I've seen any, any hard and fast studies on it, but it makes, it makes total sense. what it does, you know, it's glutting the labor market in our country and driving wages down. And, you know, people are suffering today, Walker, because of Biden's inflation. I mean, just think, every dollar, to, you know, your household is worth only 80% of what it was before Joe Biden was president. And you know, without an increase in wages to compensate for that, you know, people have to give up. They have to sacrifice and do without. And it's, it's just insanity. it's common sense. We need to enforce our immigration laws. And, you know, I believe Americans will do the work that needs to be done, and then if we get the illegals out, we'll get paid a decent wage for it.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And I'm not, I'm not, I don't buy into this, this, you know, this, this theory that we've got to have illegal immigrants to do the cheap labor. I'm just not buying into that. And that you can't find Americans to do the job. I don't think that's true. it may be. It's true in some instances, but, but we've got, we've got several million working age men on the couch that are off out of the workforce, through their own volition, not through. Because they can't find a job. Well, no, it is because they can't find a job, but it's not because they, they're disabled or something like that. So, there's a lot of labor on the sidelines that you could bring back in legal labor from American workers that you could bring back into the workforce. And with the advancement of technology and robotics and manufacturing, the work that we're doing in the future is not going to be nearly as manually intensive, as the work we've done in the past. So. So my point is, as one American worker is going to be able to do more than they could have in the past just because of the advancements in manufacturing. So there's a lot of potential here. And the wage growth, to your point, it will help if we can achieve that. It will help, take back what was lost during COVID in the last five years of inflation that is just eaten away at American wages. and I think this has to happen, and I think President Trump, I think it's going to take more than four years. So we're going to need successive leadership in the White House, to keep this stuff going. So. Very good points, Richard. tell our folks how they can read more about your work.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, absolutely. Well, you can just go to our website, it's truthandliberty.net and, find about what's going on here and everything we're doing. And, be sure to sign up for our newsletter there and we'll keep you posted on everything that's going on. And you can get our blogs and articles and everything else. So also encourage folks if you'd like to watch our show, that's every Wednesday and Friday at 6pm Mountain Time. Of course, you can check out the archives on our website and podcasts and social media as well.

>> Walker Wildmon: All right, thanks, Richard. Preacher coming on.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Thank you.

Richard Harris: Mass deportations must happen because Americans need jobs

>> Walker Wildmon: All right, there you have it. That's Richard Harris with the Truth and Liberty Organization. The, I'm thankful that President Trump is conducting deportations at the rate that he is. I'm, thankful that he's in the White House. Now. This bill, folks, it funds the full border wall. It funds the entire remainder of the border wall across the entire southern, border. So it's a very, very big deal on this topic that we're talking about. And the mass deportations have to happen. This has to happen. And this is a matter of saving our country from complete and utter ruin. And if you want to have two basic reasons, compelling reasons why mass deportations must happen, the first one is that Americans need these jobs. American workers need these jobs. The second thing is that the illegal immigration is an absolute drain on our entire benefits system. Our entire safety net and welfare programs are all being sucked dry by illegal immigrants. And if you think illegal immigrants are not on our welfare programs, where have you been and is your head in the sand? Joe Biden was giving out Social Security numbers to illegal immigrants. That's a fact. And when you get a Social Security number, that's your magic card to sign up for benefits. And if you think every illegal immigrant is this hard working, honest, you know, do Gooder, you're wrong. You're wrong. You're absolutely wrong. And I, I have a little bit of disrespect at the, at the mere thought of someone trespassing into our country. Country. That's not respectable. And so this, this, this, this rosy picture of all illegal immigrants or these sweet, innocent poor people from Central and South America. No, that's not the case folks. That is a false picture.

>> Jeff Chamblee: I'll do some stand up comedy, Abe will do some preaching, Tim will emcee the whole thing and I'm really excited about it. The weekend with AFA is a chance for our supporters to get better acquainted with the people and ministry you're supporting. It's a weekend with AFA Thursday, October 2nd through Saturday, October 4th in Tupelo, Mississippi. Speakers will include Abraham Hamilton III, Jenna Ellis, Tim Barton, Tim Wildmon and more. [email protected] Weekend this is @ the Core on American Family Radio with your host, Walker Wildmon.

41% of employers worldwide intend to reduce their workforce because of AI

>> Walker Wildmon: Welcome to the Core here on American Family Radio. Glad to have you with us for this last segment. Well, I don't know if any of you have begun reading about and consuming information on artificial intelligence, but this technology is as advanced and serious and important as the people say it is. Meaning I'm talking about the pundits and the media, etc. When I first started hearing about it, I thought it was overhyped. I thought, yeah, this is going to be another technology. But it's going to be like the phone, it's going to be like the Internet and it will just adopt it, it'll be just part of life. It'll make things convenient. But the more I'm studying up on AI, this is, this is unlike anything humanity has ever seen. And that's not an exaggeration because you can look at the electricity, you can look at the creation of electricity, the creation of the motor vehicle, the creation of the printing press, the creation of the Internet, the creation of the mobile device. And yes, this AI has a lot of similarities to those things. But the job displacement here is what I think is, non comparable to previous technology innovations. And to that point, here's just some stats. 41% of employers worldwide intend to reduce their workforce because of AI in the next five years. One report predicts that AI could replace more than 50% of tasks performed by market research analysts and sales representatives. And AI will, will, will create jobs. That's a fact. So there will be some offset there. But what concerns me the most is, well, twofold. The, the job displacement is a concern, but I think that this, I think that reality is going to come slower than people project. I don't think it's going to be as fast. I think the job displacement is going gradual, but it will happen. There will be job displacement because of this and there will be new jobs created as well. But the dilemma and what I can't wrap my mind around is the, the moral side of this because there's the, let's just call it the, the amoral side of this, of just like any technology, it can be used for good, it can be used for bad, it can be helpful, it can be harmful. But the moral dilemma that we're going to face as a nation because we're trying to be the AI leader of the world, that's what President Trump has said he's going to try to do, is be the AI leader of the world. My concern is there's not enough moral people that are leading in this space. I was listening to a podcast, and there was a gentleman by the name of Andrew Wang. He's a CEO of a AI company and he was talking about implanting computer chips into people's brains casually. He was casually talking about that. Andrew Wang is, I'm sorry, Alexander Wang is an American billionaire entrepreneur. He's co founder and former CEO of Scale AI. And he was on this podcast just casually talking about through Neuralink, which is a Elon Musk company, and through other companies that are in the space that eventually we'll just casually be able to implant chips into people's brains to store memories and then how companies can hack people's brains to implant false memories that never happened and shape the way people think about things. It was very sci fi and it's almost unbelievable. Part of me wants to think that's just, that'll just never happen, but, but the technology is advancing so quickly and Neuralink, to use an example, neuralink has made so much progress that they have, they have these trials going on where people are able to control, control things outside of their body using their brain by sending signals, meaning you control a computer screen, you control a wheelchair, you control a mobile device, etc. They're currently doing that right now. And when you look at people like Elon Musk and I'm just using names for examples because I don't like to talk theoretical and without specifics. So I'm giving specific examples, bills. When you look at Elon Musk, he's done a lot of good and he helped President Trump get elected. He is very much a kind of pro freedom person. He clearly doesn't like the cancel culture. he appreciates America's system of government and our economic system. So there's a lot of good there. So this is not a bash Elon Musk hour. But what concerns me about Musk, and it should concern all of us, is that he has no set moral value system. He's kind of a technocrat, if you will. He's just kind of this technology nerd who's very smart, multi billionaire, has created multiple successful companies. So clearly he's got something going right here. But there doesn't seem to be boundaries on where we take the technology. And this is what concerns me is when all you're looking at is dollar bills and how much revenue can X company bring in, through this technology. Folks, that is dangerous. That is very, very dangerous. And in this legislation, in this one big beautiful bill, there's a provision and if I don't talk about this, I would be very dishonest. There's a provision in the bill that puts a 10 year moratorium on any AI regulations at the state level. It puts a 10 year pause on any AI regulations at the state level. Now the proponents of that are going to say, well, we don't need to stifle innovation. We don't need to, throw up a bunch of red tape in the AI realm. And I sympathize with that because government does seem to meddle around with the private sector and completely mess things up. And so I understand the pro free market, pro innovation angle to this AI, moratorium. But we have to understand that this prevents states, good conservative states, from putting up any guardrails as far as where AI takes us. And so I just think that at some point we collectively as a country are going to have to have leaders that speak into this artificial intelligence revolution that we're in that is going to happen. There's way too much momentum, there is way too much opportunity and way too much money at stake here with the AI revolution to abandon it, to not lean into it. But it's very concerning to me that the morals of this are not being discussed as much as I think they should.

It concerns me when humans are replaced by robots, M. M.

And so, Bobby, I want to get your thoughts when you think of AI. There's my position over the last year has been, I don't think it's. Well, let me, let me be careful here. It concerns me, I'm not going to place a moral absolute here. It concerns me when humans are replaced by robots. But that's not a new phenomena, right? We've had, we've had through manufacturing and robotics and technology and the Internet. Humans being replaced are not needed as much because of the advancement of technology is not a new thing. This has been around since a long time.

>> Walker Wildmon: Assembly lines.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, exactly. So, so I can't act as if this is a new phenomena, but I think the rate at which this is going to happen where it's not as if everybody who wants a job can get a job, which is kind of where we are now. Like if you want to work hard with your hands, if you want to earn honest living in America. and, and your head's on right. You can go do it. Right.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely. again, this is micros.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah. But, but, but what this is, what this is going to lead to is displacement at a level where it doesn't matter how much Bobby wants to go get a job and how many places he puts in an application, the job just ain't there. Yeah. And that to me, that we're getting into a moral dilemma here.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, I think so. it's a very, very fine line that's going to have to be tread lightly. the days of, well, I'm just going to go to Friendly's ice cream shop and get a job, you know.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: As a scoop. And you know, the old pharmacy drink, fountain types and that sort of thing. Those, those jobs are not going to be, readily available.

>> Walker Wildmon: Right.

>> Walker Wildmon: They're just not.

>> Walker Wildmon: And, and those are your entry level jobs.

>> Walker Wildmon: Even here in Tupelo we see that, you know, you go to the Taco Bell, it's all kiosk driven.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: You know, you have a couple of folks behind the counter and a couple of folks cooking. But.

>> Walker Wildmon: Right.

>> Walker Wildmon: You know, again, fast food cooks. There's nothing to keep a robot from going. Need this. Need this goes. Very simple process.

>> Walker Wildmon: And what you're talking about is very detrimental to the lower class.

>> Walker Wildmon: It is because it's, it when you're trying to, to bring up children in a way that you want them to have a work ethic, you want them, you want them to be responsible for what they're doing. It's going to have to be very focused. Their education, whatever form that takes, is going to be, have to be very focused as to what they want to get into. you know, around us we have a lot of furniture manufacturing here. But for how long? How long before that becomes robotized?

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: you know, so it's, it's, it's going to be something where, the parents are going to have to be parents and children are going to have to stand up and be accountable, accounted for and be accountable to themselves and their families.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: Of what they are going to do as they become adulting.

>> Walker Wildmon: You know what this could bring back, Bobby, now that we're talking about it, this could revitalize the homestead model. Amen.

>> Walker Wildmon: M. Which was a thing up until just over the last hundred years, it became not a thing because we all moved in the cities. That's right. The homestead.

>> Walker Wildmon: That was with the advent of the car.

>> Walker Wildmon: Correct. And here's what. Here's why I think homesteading could become a thing. And this is a very interesting discussion. When you talk about, robotics and basically the need for less humans in a factory, what you're talking about is the consolidation of wealth. M. Because whoever owns that factory, they're not going to miss a beat. Right. They're probably going to actually make more money. So when you consolidate wealth and there's less job opportunity, it doesn't necessarily equate to lower quality of life for the people who can't find a job, because as long as they're tethered to someone who does have a job. Right. Such as the factory owner's family, instead of hiring them on the assembly line, they're just part of the general wealth of the company. But to me, the homestead model could bring back purpose and work ethic and.

>> Walker Wildmon: Meeting of one's needs and the family at the nucleus of life and so on and so forth.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: It was a simpler time. Wasn't an easier time, but it's a simpler time and you appreciate what you have and what you work for.

>> Walker Wildmon: and within the homestead could be one or two primary breadwinners. Yes. That are, you know, managers at said automated factory or.

>> Walker Wildmon: Right.

>> Walker Wildmon: Etc. Or local restaurant manager. Even though you got robots in the kitchen doing the meal prep.

>> Walker Wildmon: That's a very good point because what you're getting into is there's always going to be levels of management that are going to be required.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: It's, it's, again, it's the entry level. It's the, you know.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: You know, pushing the flower and pushing, you know, concrete brick and that sort of thing. It's. Yeah, it's going to be very difficult. And, I'm not saying that they're going to go away part and parcel. It's no different really, in the argument of, well, we only take cash, we don't. We don't like plastic and so on and so forth. So, yeah, I think that's going to be kind of similar in parallel for. For a period of time, but let's face it.

There will be a niche where humans desire fellow human experience

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: Technology is. That's how you save money in the workplace. And,

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: You know, there are sectors that. That will not be the case.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Walker Wildmon: And people who say, look, we have a moral responsibility to take care of our employees.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely.

>> Walker Wildmon: And that will continue to be there.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, I agree. And there will be, to your point, a niche for the human experience.

>> Walker Wildmon: Amen.

>> Walker Wildmon: There will be a niche where humans desire fellow human experience. And they don't want a robot bringing their drink to the table.

>> Walker Wildmon: Agreed.

>> Walker Wildmon: They want a human to talk to.

>> Walker Wildmon: And even here in Tupelo, we already have that.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, exactly. So. So this. This will probably drive a niche market that will thrive, right?

>> Walker Wildmon: Yes, very much so.

Christian: We need to have moral discussions around AI because lawmakers writing regulations

>> Walker Wildmon: so, interesting discussion, folks. And, the point is, is that we need to be having these moral discussions around AI because we're going to have our lawmakers writing regulations. Every industry has regulations. Trust. Trust me, that's government. And AI will have regulations. So we need to make sure that the regulations that are in place are regulations that put the human experience first. Why? Because we're created in the image of God. Robots are not created in the image of God. And God gave us dominion, not robots.

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