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Rick Green: Chris Dunham is the dean of the Patriot Institute
>> Rick Green: Welcome back to The Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green. I'm Rick Green, America's constitution coach. Thanks for joining me today. Gonna actually be sharing with you right up top here a conversation I recently had with David and Tim Barton and Chris Dunham. So this just aired on Wall Builders radio, which you can hear on American Family Radio on the weekends. And it's just a great opportunity to catch up on what's going on with the Patriot Institute. So this is our one year program that for students 18 to 25, they come spend a full, two full semesters with us. So it's not a full year, but it's about nine months at the Patriot Academy campus. And that's an intensive. That's where they actually get to really go deep in their worldview and their life purpose. I mean all of those things. It's a phenomenal experience. We had our first one last year and we're getting ready to launch our second one. We've got a few slots left and even got some scholarships available. So if you're interested in attending that, it's patriotacademy, uh,.com institute patriotacademy.com institute. And there are, just a handful of $15,000 scholarships still available and they're going to be given out by the end of the week. So if you are listening to this program on Tuesday, September 2nd, you've got about 48 hours to make that application and then you'll know by the end of the week and have an interview online, between now and the end of the weekend. anyway, it's just a tremendous opportunity and I didn't want to miss that. for our AFA audience, we're making it available to our wall Builders audience. I want sure that our American Family association audience also had the opportunity to learn about it. So this interview that I'm about to share with you is Chris Dunham. He's the dean of the Patriot Institute. He's the one that runs it. Phenomenal guy. we've been working together for 30 years. just an outstanding, brilliant apologist and teacher. Was, Zig Ziglar's international spokesman for a couple of decades. And just a great friend of mine and a fantastic teacher. The difference he made in these kids lives last year, it was just remarkable. And anyway, so Chris is going to be with us along with David and Tim Barton. Let's jump in.
>> Rick Green: Just imagine being able to equip and prepare the next generation to be like the Navy Seals of civics, literally the tip of the spear. The ones that can go out there and lead in every area of the culture with a good, strong biblical foundation and the communication skills, the apologetics, everything they need to be an influencer in.
>> Rick Green: Every one of those areas.
>> Rick Green: Chris Dunham is with us. He's the dean of the Patriot Institute. Been a great friend of wall builders and Patriot Academy for years and years. And we teamed up last year to start this Patriot Institute. Chris, thanks for coming on and sharing with us today.
>> Chris Dunham: A joy to be with you guys. Can't wait to see what the good Lord unfolds.
Wall Builders recently hosted its first Patriot Academy graduation this summer
>> Rick Green: Well, we got to experience the first, institute graduation this summer and hear from those young people and how their lives have been changed. Not a dry eye in the room. That was really, really special. And we're about to head into a new season of it. So we thought we'd talk a little bit about what we're doing at the Patriot Academy campus, what the institute's all about. of course we've been doing, you know, patriot academy for 25 years. David and Cheryl helped us start that all those years ago. And we always had them for one week at a time. And we kept saying, oh, if we had them for longer than a week, and now we finally get to do that a year at a time. Of course, Tim, you have been working with youth for a long time, and you've been a big part of Tim, Brooks's Leaders Academy and High Point up in Arkansas. So you know how important it is to have that time with them where you can really go a little deeper than we've been able to do in the past with just one week, but.
>> Rick Green: Actually get them grounded in worldview.
>> Chris Dunham: There's no doubt about it. It's one of the most impactful things for young people, to have. I'm going to say it, and I know that's like a triggering phrase because it's, the way culture is done, but like a safe space. It used to be Christians thought, hey, if I send my kids to youth group, that's a safe place for them to go to not be indoctrinated. If I send my kids to a Christian university, there were things that it used to be safe for parents. And unfortunately what we've seen is that for so many parents that are trying to help their kids navigate the next step of their life, when the thought was always, let's send them to college and college will prepare them for ultimately whatever God is calling and leading them to do. And we've seen that unfortunately, even at Christian universities, they've just gotten so off course of what the focus is. And, of course now there's people like Charlie Kirk that are pointing out that so much of college is a scam, which we completely agree with a lot of that sentiment. Unless you're going, to, to study something that it makes sense you get a degree for, if you're going to be an engineer, if you're going to be a doctor, if you're going to be a lawyer, some things, it makes complete sense. Go get a degree. Because you need to make sure, if you're building a bridge, do the math correctly. Like, let's, let's make sure that bridge holds. But there's certain things that a lot of degrees that don't make sense for students that make the universities a lot of money. And universities have become a business. And it doesn't always help prepare students for what God has called gifted or equipped them to do in their own, abilities. And so parents have discovered that there's a lot of of better options and opportunities out there and, and, and something that you guys have been doing for years that of course at Wall Builders as we've partnered with you very joyfully, gladly, gratefully over the years. The, as you mentioned, the equipping for young people and first of all biblical foundation, Biblical worldview, things that would be similar, obviously different because it's going to have the Patriot Academy kind of spin and flavor to it. But things like going to maybe a one year internship with Summit or focus on the family or some of these really great organizations where they do a lot of basic biblical training and framework. But then for what happens on the Patriot Academy campus and I, Chris, I don't want to take anything away from where you might go, but so many incredible opportunities to serve on a much larger level. as they get to go around and do things in various states helping with whether it's big events, whether it's different significant ministries or callings. And then of course on the Patriot Academy campus getting to be mentored by somebody like Krish, by, by Rick where there'll be other speakers. My dad and I might come in periodically and, and do things as well. This is a safe space for parents that are thinking man, I'm, I'm not sure that my kids finishing school are ready for maybe their career, right kind of the big picture calling. But we'd still love them to go to a place where they can get some, some basic foundational training, whether that be in civics, whether that be in American history or kind of biblical foundation, Biblical worldview be around really good people that love God, that love America, that love and serve people with the right kind of foundation that there's not many places that we would recommend for. For parents that are looking for kind of that gap year program, whether their kids are going to college or not with trade school or just jump into a career. This is a really good opportunity and program. And Krish, I know that you have, have worked in developing this program. you've told me many times some of the things that you guys have been able to do that were new things, especially kind of from what had already been done at Patriot Academy. But even Chris you had, had mentioned you've done some, some new series and new lectures to kind of train foundational things for them. and so we're really excited Rick that you're doing this. And I, I think as we're doing this program I think there's still a couple of spots left if parents have a young person that they would like maybe to have an opportunity to come be mentored and trained to spend a year in a really solid again, like safe space. Safe. I know, again, it's a trigger word and it's a little relative because, if you come here, you're probably going to learn how to shoot a gun, because you have constitutional fence. Right. So it's a different kind of safe space, than what, you know, some people might think. But as far as a biblical moral foundation, this is a different place than where most other opportunities that lie out there. And it's something again that we highly recommend.
Chris: Tim, what can parents expect their students to receive if they come
And Chris, I, I would love to toss to you to let you talk a little bit about this because you've really developed so much of this program and so many things from thought exercises and experiments where you're, you're challenging students to grow not just maybe in a biblical or moral foundation, although you certainly do that, but even learning to be critical thinkers on a higher level, which of course is going to help them whatever arena and field they get into, learning to be thinkers. What all have you done in helping develop this program and curriculum? And if, if parents are sending students, what can they expect their students, their kids to receive if they come?
>> Chris Dunham: Well, Tim, you had mentioned something early on, when you were opening and talked about the gap year. But I want to expand on that as to the kind of person that we are looking for that fills usually at the age of 18, 19, whatever these kids ages are, they have one of three choices. Do I go to college, I don't want to go to college, or do I put off going to college? My promise to the parents is send them to us for a period of time for that year and we'll give you back a better kid. So whatever they choose, you'll be proud of. So that's a guarantee. The second component is what we offer. the word university is where a lot of the derivative comes from. But university was meant to be unity and diversity. And you alluded to that, that it's become a scam now when people go there and even the secular and the sacred lines have been crossed and people don't have that so called safe space. But what we want to do is, as Rick pointed out, if these are going to be the Navy SEALs of civics, I want to make sure these kids are so equipped and provide them master's level education. So if they decide to go back into the academy, they're not going to be indoctrinated. They will indoctrinate the professors. I want them to be smarter than the professors. So some of the worldview training that we give, or, the early church history, I'm actually breaking it down into segments of saying, okay, 80, 50 to 80, 100. What happened? Who were the key influencers before the Council of Nicae? So these kids have grown up in evangelical homes, but I dissect church history to the point where they are now overwhelmed by the fact of how much they did not know or how much more there is to know besides, Jesus loves me. This I know, for the Bible tells me so. So we want them to be equipped. And then the Socratic method of debating, making sure that they are able to unpack everything. And one of the key tenets of the learning that we provided was I introduced them to characters they would always turn away from. This comes from Boreham. FW Boreham once said that if you want the world to be a wide and wonderful place, you need to shun the books you would do everything to read, and read the books you would do everything to shun. That's how you know what the other side is up to. So we take them to exercises, and not more than 72 hours goes by between a lecture and. And them having to regurgitate in practice in class again. So if I'm doing the Reformation, just as an example, I might introduce them to Martin Luther, but I might introduce them to Philip Melanchthon, who they've never heard of, and say, go study him and come and do an assignment on it. So it's baptism by fire and to a T. All of them said they grew up very quickly because 95% of what they avoided, they now started to embrace, not for the sake that it would either convince them or convict them, but they needed to know what they were debating against.
>> Rick Green: Yeah, so much of that. You know, I remember, David, you telling me 20 years ago, trying to get me to send my kids to Brook Hill and to High Point and, how great Tim Brooks was and all the guys up there. I was like, I don't know if I want to send my kids off up there anyway. You were like, man, all three of my kids grew up there. Trust me, these are good people to send them to. And we finally did. And all four of our kids, of course, grew up up there as well and went through High Point. And then three of the four did Leaders Academy for a whole year. And one of the things that stood out to me was that they would come home and say, dad, did you know? And then they'd repeat something I'd said 100 times. but they heard it from someone else that they gave, came in with authority and with the foundation and so they came home more convicted, were stronger, a, ah, better foundation and it had such an impact on us. So we, I think Tim, you alluded to this earlier. There's Summit, there's Leaders Academy, there's all these one year programs now developing leaders is 40 years old. It was really an originator of this. And we've got, we've seen so many kids there and, and still sending kids there. it, I think this is the wave, David. I think this is, this is the new way for parents, to be able to like Tim saying, have a place they can trust is going to equip their kid. and for the young people to be able to find like minded folks but in an environment where they're going to be challenged and sharpened and, and so we're, I just think we're on the tip of the spear. We're at the tip of the spear of the best way to educate and equip leaders of tomorrow. What do you think?
>> David Barton: Okay, Rick, I'm going to answer your question by asking the question. And this is something I've been thinking about for the past year or two and trying to figure out exactly where we fit in what God's doing and what God is doing and trying to know exactly the times and where we need to be. and so with that framework I go back and say, okay, in American history have we had, let's say revivals? Start naming revivals you can think of in American history. What do you got?
>> Rick Green: Well, the Great Awakenings. Okay, first, first and second Great Awakenings. yeah, there's a street. We're both thinking the same thing there.
>> David Barton: The Pensacola, turn of the century revivals. Yeah, there's been a lot of movements because even like Billy Graham kind of era that, that's after the tent revival kind of stuff. But obviously there's, there's big movements. It would be I think and, and I'm not trying to get in the weeds on this dad, but I, I think we probably could pick some very noted ministers, since the beginning of America, that God used their ministry in significant ways and sometimes you see it reflected on the broader culture and sometimes it's more regional. but I, I think there's probably far more of those revival type movements and by revival, not like weekend revival, more of cultural impact things certainly that most people recognize.
>> Rick Green: Hold that thought folks. We'll jump right back into that interview with David and Tim Barton and Chris Dunham when we come back from the break. Just, a reminder, this is about the Patriot Institute. You can learn [email protected] Institute, the one year program at the Patriot Academy campus. It is the epitome of all that we do at Patriot Academy. All our Constitution classes, our leadership training, our pastor training, our legislators trainings, our youth training, all the different things that we do from worldview to, really learning what your purpose is to communication skills, all of it in depth for a year at the Patriot Academy campus. Nothing like it. And we've got $15,000 scholarships available, just a handful of them remaining. They're going to be given out by the end of the week. If you're interested in that, go to patriotacademy.com institute. We'll be right back on at the Core with Guacawatina. Rick Ring.
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Rick Green: Patriot Institute is for 18 to 25 year olds
>> Rick Green: Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on at the Core with Walker Wildmon and Rick Green. I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution coach. I appreciate you staying with me. this is a special episode of at the Core. We are focusing in on the Patriot Institute and the difference it's making and raising up that next generation of leaders. Chris Dunham, David Barton and Tim Barton, are our guests for this interview. And I just want to reiterate once again, this is for 18 to 25 year olds. We've made a few exceptions for 17 year olds if they're, done with high school or close to being done with high school and, outstanding resumes and ready to jump into this kind of leadership training. But for the most part, 18 to 25 year olds, and essentially it's for any young person that wants to spend a year getting really grounded either before college or maybe they've gone to college college. They might even want to take a year off from college to come do this to make sure that they're doing what God called them to do. So they're getting really grounded in biblical worldview and understanding all the other worldviews out there, really getting close to the Lord and figuring out what has he called them to, what is the desire he's put in their heart. How do they identify that? And then how do they start planning their purpose and really executing that plan for their life at a young age? and then just making great relationships? I know for me, at 19 years old. I went to some conservative student conferences and different things, involved with some programs that made me realize I wasn't as weird as I thought I was. There were other young people that cared about these things, that loved the Lord and also loved, politics and government and influence in the culture. I'm not suggesting you got to be really into politics to enjoy this program. Whatever you're going to do with your life, whatever area you're going to go into, it's going to equip you to do that better. A lot of our graduates, they go into business and, mission work and ministry or, education or journalism or whatever it might be. But some of them do go into the political realm. But all of them are better citizens. They get a good foundation in being a good biblical citizen. And in this case, they get a year of not only getting grounded, getting intellectually grounded and spiritually grounded, but also really ramping up their skills, their communication skills, their people skills, all of those things necessary, their leadership skills, so that whatever they go into, they're ready at 19, 20, 21, 22 years old to be a leader and to move forward in that fashion. So that's who I'm talking to out.
>> Rick Green: There, if that's you.
>> Rick Green: Granted, this is a really quick turn, what we're talking about here. We literally have move in date in just a couple of weeks, less than two weeks. And so you'd have to make a quick decision to do this. You'd have to get online right now, patriotacademy.com institute apply immediately. It's a real quick application. and we would set up an interview with you in the next few days and make a decision by the end of the weekend. So this is a very fast turn. We had some extra scholarship money come up, and so we wanted to open this up to a few more people. but it may be that you're hearing this and there's no way for you to make that quick of a turn. Maybe for next year, Maybe fall of 2026 would be the time for you to come to this, and so that's fine too. But if you're out there and you could make this quick of a decision and be that spontaneous, and maybe you've been looking for something, maybe you're 20 years old and you're going, okay, I'm working over here, I'm doing this, but I'm not doing what I really want to do long term. I haven't figured out what my passion really is or, you know, what it is. And you want to be in the political realm or in the leadership realm or in the ministry realm. And you need some help getting grounded and meeting the right people, building the right relationships. I can tell you, parents that are listening right now, the most important part of this entire year happens around the fire in the evenings. It's the conversations, it's the epiphany, moments about the Lord. It's God speaking to these young people and giving them an opportunity to not m. Be, as Zig used to say, a wandering generality, but to be a meaningful, specific. And so that's the most important part. The chapel services, all of that. but there is a lot that happens, happens. It's very intense. It's a phenomenal program. We're super proud of it. Let me jump back in with David and Tim Barton. David, as we go into break, was talking about revival and how to tell the difference between revival and an awakening.
David Barton: We think we're probably in a revival right now
Let's jump right back in with David and Tim Barton and Chris Dunham.
>> David Barton: So let me go through some. You hit some of them. But there's the first Great Awakening, there's a second Great Awakening, there's a third Great Awakening. There's the Civil War revivals, There are the revivals like with Dwight Moody, all the urban renewal type of revivals. there were a lot of turn of the century revivals. You had a great New York City revival, a great Chicago revival, big urban area revivals. As, you get into the early 1900s. You have Azusa street revival. You also have all the Billy Sunday revivals with millions who came to Christ in the Billy Sunday days. As you move forward, Tim, you mentioned the Billy Graham revivals. There was, the movie from a couple years ago, the Jesus Revolution. That was a huge revival in that period of time. So we've had a whole lot of revivals. And I think we can probably. And we've talked about it on the program several times. We think we're probably in one now. Ah, most of the times people don't know they're in a revival till it's over. And they look back historically and say, hey, that was a revival. But the stats indicating right now what's happening with young people, particularly Gen Z, that are coming to Christ in big numbers, Bible readings up among that group and Gen Y as well. So there are a number of indicators that maybe we're messing around the fringes of a revival right now with what's going on with young people. And there are cultural indications with some of their behavior that maybe things are changing. Over the last two or three years.
Every Great Awakening changed the culture, but a revival might be shorter
So all that to say, okay, I mentioned three Great Awakenings, and I mentioned maybe 10 or 12 revivals. So what's the difference between a revival and a Great Awakening?
>> Rick Green: M. Oh, man, I don't know.
>> Rick Green: I. I really don't know.
>> Rick Green: I'm going to guess off the top of my head. A revival might be shorter.
>> David Barton: Let me kind of posit it to you this way. Every Great Awakening changed the culture.
>> Rick Green: The first Great Awakening, there's actual impact on the culture.
>> David Barton: It impacted the culture. It impacted even the way that non Christians thought. It impacted the way the whole culture operated. It impacted economics, it impacted business, it impacted government, it impacted church, it impacted education, impacted everything. And that's the first, second, and third great Awakenings. Now, if you go to the urban renewal, Dwight Moody led more than a million people to Christ. We see no direct impact in society after those revivals. As a matter of fact, progressivism was coming in at that time, and progressivism grew throughout that revival time. As you move into the Azusa street revivals, you move into the Billy Sunday revivals. Not only was progressivism growing, it took over the culture. It took over the universities, it took over government. This is where progressivism gets its roots. I mean, you get even into, I was in the. I was part of the Jesus revolution. I was there for all that stuff. Expo 76, et cetera. You cannot show any change in sexual behavior as a result of that big revolution. We were in the middle of the sexual revolution, and it only got worse after that. At least in the sexual revolution, we weren't talking about how many genders there were. Now we've gone through complete. No, no limits on any kind. So you look at it and you say, there's a whole lot of revivals, and they did not change the culture. So how do you get a revival to change the culture when you have one? Because otherwise, you may have your fire insurance, but you haven't done anything to go make disciples of all. Man, I think that's the answer, is making disciples. What happened in Great Awakenings was they would disciple the people, and instead of talking about your relationship with Jesus, they'd also say, here's what the Bible says about government. Here's what the Bible says about racial issues. And it got into so many practical, everyday issues that they took it back to live with it. So instead of just saying the sinner's prayer and making converts of all, men, we're actually making disciples of all men. Ah. And I think that that's what's happening with what you guys are doing is you're putting the time into discipleship to change the way that people think, so that not only do they have fire insurance, they've got life insurance on how to live life throughout the rest of their life and the culture and make a difference. That's just me kind of throwing that out there. But that's what I think is we're on the verge of an America. I think we've got a revival going, and I hope it doesn't stay a revival. I hope it turns into a discipleship movement, the kind of stuff you're talking about, because that's what makes a difference in the nation, in my opinion.
>> David Barton: Well, and Dad, I think one thing that adds that thought too is that even during the Great Awakenings, the Great Awakenings, even though it reached the majority of American people, the majority of American people didn't fully, align, with all of the values and vision of the Great Awakening. But the Great Awakening was so embedded in the hearts and minds of enough people, even though it was a minority of the population, that incredibly impacted and dedicated minority did things like the Founding Fathers. They went to the First Great Awakening. It was the unity of the first. Or what unified them was what they learned in the First Great Awakening and that allowed them to lay the foundation that led to America becoming a nation. Similarly, even in the Second Great Awakening, during the Second Great Awakening, it's the middle of the abolition movement. It's, it's right, the 1820s, 1830s, 1840s, and, and the nation is being divided by this. But in the Second Great Awakening, there's enough people that their hearts and minds are so impacted, they're going to stand strong fighting for biblical truth. And not just the truth that that God is real, that Jesus is real, that we are all broken sinners who need a savior. But also, like what Charles Finney really largely advocated was there should be activity, there should be action behind your conversion, behind a gospel ministry. There should be fruits coming from it. And it encouraged a large swath, even though a minority of people to stand up. And it's largely the abolitionists that help bring it into slavery. And the reason I say that is even though the Awakenings impacted the majority of Americans, it didn't cause the activity from majority of Americans, but the activity it caused from a dedicated minority impacted and changed the entire nation. And I think, dad, to your point, that's what the Discipleship foundation is doing. It's impacting a dedicated minority that will stand on principle and those that stand ultimately can impact and change the future course of the nation.
The Patriot Academy's inaugural year begins September 15th and runs through May
>> Rick Green: Chris, when we come back from the break, let's talk about that discipleship. The curriculum covers apologetics, biblical citizenship, communications, moral philosophy, character development, worldview, American history, and so much more. And as Tim mentioned, we got just a few slots left. Move in. Date is just two weeks away, though, so if you're interested in coming to the program, we have actually not just slots, but we have a few $15,000.
>> Rick Green: Scholarships available to give out. I somehow got the account numbers to Tim's bank account and just siphon that off, and we're going to give it away.
>> Rick Green: I'm kidding. Anyway, we do have some scholarships available thanks to some of our generous donors. And so if you'd like to take.
>> Rick Green: Advantage of that, go to patriotacademy.com forward/institute.
>> Rick Green: Begins September 15th and runs through May. And we have a few slots left. If you're interested, check it [email protected] institute and apply for those scholarships. Chris, you know, look, you got them, for a year. What do you expect them to be able to walk away with in one year of, as David attempt said, discipleship?
>> Chris Dunham: Well, as we put the curriculum this time, which is a little more expanded from the last time because, the numbers have obviously increased and the amount of time we're spending with them is going to increase as we get more established. The traditional fair of Patriot Academy, that was authored by David and you in terms of biblical citizenship, and all of that is already a given. But some of the disciplines we are adding are we're going to talk about worldviews separately from apologetics, which means in apologetics, we'll do the defense of the Christian faith. We'll go through moral apologetics, classical apologetics, scientific apologetics, cultural apologetics, all of that. But in worldviews, we're going to go in depth into studying all the other religions that make up the world. or as EV Hill used to say, that, all the isms that should be wasms, we'll cover there. So from Hinduism and scientism and atheism to Islam, we'll cover all that. Another thing we're going to uncover is we're going to do moral philosophies and go back to the Aristotelian academy and bring it down to the Italian and the Greek schools of thought, take them down through the Renaissance thinkers to contemporary to postmodernism, to post truth. So what we're going to do is actually teach them history, not in the Chronological way they were used to, but in a vertical silo as to how the world was operating in different spheres at the same time. So they're going to understand philosophy and worldviews and religion going vertically across the globe and will understand why different people are different ways. And that's just my globalist perspective I'm bringing to them, saying that we have a unique chance to tell them why America is unique in all of this great experiment. I've lived overseas. I came to America as a youngster. I mean, you know, nothing to my name, but what I share with them is, as I travel around the world, the American story is exceptional. Not because of its, What we know is it's exceptional. But if you look at it from a global perspective, America is the youngest of all civilizations out there now. I mean, most of our antiques are plastic, and yet it's made such a great impact on history. And why is this unique thing? And I attribute it to a biblical identity that America had that somehow made her morally good in the declarations that she provided, because every other worldview was convoluted when they tried to create geography and their own versions. India I grew up in is a republic, but India is a very different republic than America is a republic because India had, a 5000 history that they had to bring pieces together. And America's uniqueness was just that biblical foundation. They didn't waver from that, as I have since learned, in my journey with you guys through David and his teachings.
>> Rick Green: So, you know, David, part of the effectiveness of a student has to be.
>> Rick Green: Not just the intellectual knowledge, but the.
>> Rick Green: The practical skills, the speaking skills, the.
>> Rick Green: you know, the relationship skills, the things that. The.
>> Rick Green: The relationships that they'll build with others as well. And I. I talked to a guy the other day. I was asking him, he does coaching and mentorship. And I said, you know, how do you.
>> Rick Green: How do you pick good mentors?
>> Rick Green: How do you. How do you find people that can, instill these things? He said, well, the most important thing is to find a good mentee. You got to find students that are ready for the master to show up.
Chris Donovan: Do you think this generation has the same hunger for righteousness
David, do you think this generation, do you see the same hunger for righteousness and hunger to make a difference? I mean, you've been doing this a while. You've watched the culture, crumble and now begin to be rebuilt. Do you see a generation, or at least the leaders of the next generation that we're hoping to train that's ready for us to pass the torch to them?
>> David Barton: I'LL tell you, I think there's something unique there. And this came out maybe 10 years ago when we did the book, this Precarious Moment. Jim Garlo and I did that book and it was kind of, here we are in America, and this is, this is really important time where we are. And one of the things that came out in polling, and as you know, George Barnes, really good friend, and so we, we keep up with polling ash polls, how polls done, commission polls. And the thing that came out at that point 10 years ago with what was the rising generation, and your Gen Y was much younger back then, and your Gen Z was really young, was in both Gen Y and Gen Z. That's the first time in polling history about 120 years. Been doing polls since the beginning, 1900s. First time in polling history that we found a generation that was willing to be mentored by someone much older than them. Most generations want to hang with their own friends. They want to hang out with people. And suddenly these guys said, we don't care what age you are. If you can get us the information, if you show the relationship, if you'll have the genuine interest in us, we'll listen to whoever you are. And I thought that at that point in time was the start of what could be a genuine revival and great awakening. Because what happened with the Founding Fathers, these young guys had older guys mentoring them. And we went through the 60s and 70s and 80s where age was everything. You're the wrong generation. You can't tell me anything. You don't know what I'm going through. I'm all different. And, you know, suddenly we're back now to a couple of generations in polling that don't care what your age is. They want to learn from someone who's got something to offer. And I think that what happens right now, this is the perfect time for what you guys have, what you're setting up. Because the experience that comes from people who've already been through the fight, been through the generations, the things that, an old Special Forces guy can teach a young Special Forces guy. I mean, that's the kind of stuff you want, and that's the kind of stuff that's important. And I think that that's a difference with this generation. And perhaps this revival we're going through now, I think we have the opportunity to turn into a great awakening through that capability of teaching younger people from people who've already been there in our already learned it.
>> Rick Green: Patriotacademy.com forward/institute to learn more about it. Of course, for most people listening now, you know, fall of 2026 is probably the time to be thinking about this, but there's a handful of you out there that are spontaneous enough and ready to go and you were looking for something exactly like this. You're the ones, that need to get on the, on the website right now because literally in the next 48 hours, you need to apply if you want one of those scholarships. PatriotAcademy.com Institute. Chris Donovan, thanks for joining us today, man.
>> Chris Dunham: My joy, thanks for having me and look, forward to what the year will bring.
>> Rick Green: We'll be right back on at the Core.
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Michael Wahman and Rick Green discuss Patriot Institute scholarship opportunities
>> Rick Green: Welcome back at the Core with Michael Wahman and Rick Green, Army Green, America's Constitution coach. Thanks for staying with me for my final segment today.
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>> Rick Green: That as well to cover your groceries. But it's everything else and it's a significant scholarship and, a superb, opportunity. So check that out. Patriotacademy.com institute okay, so for our final segment of the day, I got a special guest for you, Bill Federer. Always love having Bill on and you're going to be blown away by this. I cannot believe all of the connections to the ymca, to so many ministries over the last hundred years. Let's jump in with our friend Bill federer.
>> Rick Green: Courageous Christianity. Americanminute.com is where you can [email protected] Bill, thanks for coming back on, brother.
>> Bill Federer: Hey, Rick, great to be with you, man.
>> Rick Green: I love this book. This is fantastic. You do so many cool stories in here, including one I've always loved, Eric Liddell, but you cover a lot of them. But I had no idea the YMCA had such a profound impact on so many of these areas. So this is going to be fun today. Tell us what started this. you all, you love diving into all kinds of, areas of history, but what drew you to this one?
>> Bill Federer: Well, my son was a, trainer with the YMCA. And then he more or less ran the downtown St. Louis YMCA. And anyway, he's always helping me to become fit and using resistance bands and watch my diet and, and so we started looking into the history of the ymca and believe it or not, it was birthed out of a revival. And so you have second Great Awakening revival. Charles Finney, he was a 29 year old attorney Adams, New York. He, is walking through, the woods on his way to work. And he's been wanting to seek the Lord. And so he goes into the woods and prays and, and he feels that the Lord touches heart. He goes back to his law office, says goodbye to his partner, closes the door and he says he met Jesus. Face, Face. He said, you know, mentally. But he said that he was overcome. He said he knelt down, prayed, felt waves of liquid love. And, and the next thing he knows, the doors open. he prayed all night. And some it's a deacon coming in his law office in the morning suing another deacon, wanting to know how his case is coming along. And without hesitating, Charles Finney said, I'm sorry, I have a retainer from our Lord Jesus Christ and I am pleading his case. I can no longer plead yours. The guy goes out, stands in the.
>> Rick Green: Middle, a retainer from the Lord Jesus Christ. That is great. Yeah.
>> Bill Federer: And then the guy stands in the middle of the street date and then he drops his case later. And D.L. moody begins to preach the gospel like an attorney before a jury with his closing arguments and then demanding a decision. And he said, you serve the devil openly. I'm going to call for you to stand up right where you're at and proclaim you're going to serve Jesus openly. He invented the altar call. Anyway, his messages were so convicting that they were read in England by William and Catherine Booth and they started the Salvation Army. And then another guy, John J. Shepard, heard Charles Finney preach and he started Oberlin University, which became a hotbed of abolitionism. Started the abolitionist movement there prior to the Civil War. But then also you have a 21 year old drapery salesman in London, his name is George Williams. He started the International Red Cross. Henry, do not. The message was Christianity is not just listening to sermons. You got to do something. And so, he, there's a battle between Italy and France. Thousands die. And Henry do not hearing their groans and points. He's walking across the battlefield. I said, we need an organization will take care of wounded guys no matter whose side they're on. and then of course, you had Clara Barton helping Henry. Do not. She starts the American Red Cross. Ah. And then you have, this, somebody that went to Charles Finney's church in New York. They Broadway Tabernacle. His name is Jeremy Lanphear. And so in 1857 there's an economic downturn. Jeremy Lanphear put the sign in front of his little shop that says, come in at noon and pray. And maybe a half a dozen guys come in. Next week, a dozen. Next week, 50, next week 100, until pretty soon thousands. And then it spreads to other cities from New York to Boston, Philadelphia, all the way to la, San Francisco, and nobody's organizing it. It's called a layman's prayer revival. And in Chicago you have a 21 year old shoe salesman named Dwight L. Booty. And he gets on fire for the Lord. He goes down and he becomes a volunteer, a quote unquote city missionary for the YMCA in Chicago. And, you know, dumping the trash, cleaning the bathrooms. But he sees an abandoned saloon and so he decides to start a Bible school class for inner city kids. He can barely read. a guy visits there named William Reynolds, and he said he saw D.L. moody holding a black boy reading the Prodigal Son story. And he couldn't even pronounce the words. And, and what Reynolds said, a guy can use that guy. He could use anybody. Well, DL Modi couldn't. He wasn't very educated, but he could recruit people. So within a year he had 60 people teaching 600 kids.
Al Moody founded the YMCA during the Civil War
The next year, a thousand kids. The next year, Lincoln gets elected president. And Lincoln goes from, Springfield, Illinois to Chicago, Illinois, and he stops off at the L. Moody Sunday school class and sits there in the little desk with all the other kids. And then after the class, The Elmouti says, Mr. President, is there anything you want to tell these kids? He goes, yes, I started off as poor as any one of you in this room. And if you do what that man tells you, someday you might be president. And so the Al Moody, during the Civil War, Lincoln, asks for volunteers, 5,000 YMCA volunteer to be medics and chaplains. And D.L. moody is one of them. And the U.S. army didn't have all the infrastructure in. The YMCA had all the, you know, coffee wagons and they would have all the R and R and all the prayer meetings in the tents. And then afterwards, DL Lodi becomes an international evangelist. And through his schools and everything reaches probably 100 million people. Meanwhile, the YMCA, Carter Woodson, he starts the Negro Heritage Week. That turns into, you guessed it, Black History Month. The Black History Month came out of the ymca.
>> Chris Dunham: Ah.
>> Bill Federer: And then, you have a Billy Sunday. He is a white Chicago, White Stockings baseball player, right? This is before the white socks. It's called White Stockings. And he's coming out of a bar, downtown Chicago, hears some singing from the Pacific Guard Mission. They're gospel songs, you know, because his dad died, his mom raised him and she used to sing these songs. He listens, and of course he sees a pretty girl. he starts finding out what church he goes to. He goes there. The dad won't let him date because athletes, when their body wears out, they become ne' er do wells. They didn't get paid the big paychecks as they do today. But father finally lets him get married. And, his wife, gets him involved in the ymca and he becomes a Bible teacher there. Well, guess what? He launches to an evangelism minister. His wife organizes it. And they just invented radio. So he pioneers radio broadcasting. Billy Sunday. And, he reaches 100 million people. And again, it all started with what, Charles Finney, this young attorney, saying, I'm gonna, I'm not gonna come down from these woods until I meet God. And, but it has this ripple effect that keeps going out. And of course, who attended a Billy Sunday crusade? Billy Graham when he was a young boy. And then he reaches like 200 million people. But the, the power of one person committed their life to Christ.
>> Rick Green: You always, you always have so many new facts and new stories that I've never heard. But this one, the Billy Sunday, I had no idea he was a baseball player. I, I, I don't. How did I miss that? I, I did not know that. So he was a Chicago. So it was the White Stockings at the time. that's, that's incredible. Please keep going. These are amazing.
>> Bill Federer: Yeah, he was recruited by a guy named A.G. spalding. And of course that's Spalding, smarts goods. Anyway, you have Dr. Luther Gulick. And he's the one who invents the spirit mind and body triangle for the ymca. And he is in charge of the YMCA headquarters in Springfield, Massachusetts. And they do calisthenics. They have, ah, Indian, they, call them Indian clubs. But they're like, you know, bowling pins that have a long neck. And they would be exercising with these things and climbing ladders and, and it's wintertime and it's cold and they're doing these cal stacks. And so Dr. Gulick asks the YMCA trainer named James Nasmitz, can you come up with something more interesting than jumping jacks? So he comes up with the 13 rules for basketball. The boys like it. He prints the rules in the YMCA newsletter that goes worldwide. And it becomes the best evangelism tool. You're in China and there's a YMCA in China. how are you going to witness the gospel? Well, gee, you just play basketball outside. And the Chinese kids see it and say, hey, you want to play? Let me show you how. And they like it. You become friends and then you get winded. You sit down, somebody opens up a Bible. They started YMCAs in the Philippines, in India, in Cuba, all around the world. But it started basketball, the second most popular sport worldwide started out of a ymca and it was an evangelism tool. And then, James Naismith recruits William Morgan to teach at the school and he invents volleyball, right? And they. So they get Ag Spalding to design a lighter ball than the soccer ball. And and then you have, the ymca, invents racquetball, swimming lessons, names the sport of, softball. They used to call it sissy ball. The YMCA has the first.
>> Rick Green: Did they really? Sissy ball?
>> Bill Federer: Yeah, they call it kitten ball or sissy ball, but the YMCA is it. And then an interesting line. So the same time that you have George, Williams in London, in England, this movement got a name called Muscular Christianity. And there was a town in England. There is, it's. The name of the town is Rugby. That's actually the name of the town. And they had a school that boys could go to for free who lived within sight of the city tower. And the boys would go to this rugby school and fight. Right?
YMCA coaches in America transferred rugby into football
They're boys. And so the principal, his name was Thomas Arnold, he said, you know, you're never going to get fighting out of boys, but let's organize them. And so he created a game of. So that you could fight with rules. And they called it rugby. Oh, wow. It was the game. And and of course they would tackle each other. and so you had ah, a, a guy coach in America, with the help of YMCA instructors, transferred rugby into football. So rugby had a scrummage, or should they shorten it to a scrum? And it's a moving huddle surrounding a ball going down the field. Well, in America they took it and they said, let's take the scrummage and turn it into a line of scrimmage and let's move the ball down the field play by play. The French guy, his name is De Coubertin had the idea to take these athletes and bring back the Olympics. And he recruited Elwood Brown from the YMCA to contact all the YMCAs around the world and send athletes. They called it olympism and this movement. So the Olympics were birthed out of the ymca, which was birthed out of this revival that Charles Finney preached. and, then you had, Dale Carnegie taught classes on public speaking at the YMCA in New York. And that turned into his, you know, how to win friends and influence people and so forth. the first Father's Day in America was in a ymca. Sonora Louise Smart Dodd had it at the one in Spokane, Washington, the ymca. There. The Gideons were started out of the ymca. Sam Hill organized a meeting with another guy, at the ymca because they had little, you know, dorm rooms there that you could rent. And the Boy scouts. So in 1868, the YMCA Young Men's Christian association said, hey, what about the young young men? The 12 to 18 years old? So they called it the Boys Work. All right, this is the Boys Work Department. And so they had the first summer camp in America, all Camp Dudley. And they would take the boys on hikes and do everything. And in England, the, Boys Work program, doing outdoor stuff, used the Manual for Survival that a guy named, Baden Powell had written. Now, Baden Powell, British soldier, stationed in South Africa during the Boer War. He was surrounded by thousands of, the Zulus. And anyway, he's able to get his men to survive. He. He writes on this manual on how to survive, and the Boy Scouts are using it. So he comes back to London, and the Boy Scouts sponsor a book tour for Lord Baden Powell. He volunteers at their camps, and then he writes a book in 1908 called Scouting for Boys. It becomes a bestseller. It's like the fourth bestseller of the entire 19th century. Scouting for Boys. It goes through all these different editions, but the Boy Scouts came out of the ymca, which came out of George Williams, this young guy in England, in London, who read Charles Finney's sermons. And even the Jews had the young men going to the ymca and they decided, hey, let's have a Jewish version called the Young Men's Hebrew Association. And then that later turned into the jcc, the Jewish community centers that are around the country. but all these ripples, came out of this one young guy, Charles Finney, that said, I'm going to commit my life to God. I'm sorry, I have a retainer from our Lord Jesus Christ. I cannot plead your case. And he would say, look, you don't just hear a sermon. You stand up and you declare publicly you're going to serve Jesus the same way that you, you serve the devil before.
>> Rick Green: Wow, what an, what an incredible legacy. Courageous Christianity. You got to get to this book, folks. Americanminute.com is the best place to get it. So many great stories in there and, such an incredible, incredible impact. Every single one of us create that ripple effect when we go out and we do God's will in our life and we don't know when it's going to turn into a tsunami, but we know it's going to impact lives. as I'm closing out today, once again want to remind you patriotacademy.com institute patriotacademy.com institute if you're interested in the that one year program or you know somebody in your life that would benefit well from that, make sure they get online and apply for that as soon as possible because those scholarships will be gone by the end of this week. Thanks so much for listening, dad. Decor.
>> Jeff Chamblee: The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.
