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Jesus foretells of disciples being scattered because of persecution coming

John, chapter 16 is where we will be this week. John, chapter 16, verse 31. Jesus answered them. Do you now believe, indeed the hour is coming. Yes, has now come, that you will be scattered each to his own will. Leave me alone. And yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. These things I have spoken to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation, but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world. That's, John, chapter 16, verses 31, 33. Jesus here, of course, is foretelling of the disciples being scattered, throughout the region, because of persecution that has come and is to come for the disciples here. And this is how God and his providence ensured that the gospel spread throughout the entire world. And that is because many of the disciples, if not all, were, they, they took Jesus, not, not just Literal, that's oversimplifying it. But they viewed, Jesus's return to establish his kingdom on this earth, they viewed it as, as being imminent in human terms. Okay, Meaning weeks, months, years, not centuries are thousands of years. And so there was this real hesitancy among some of the disciples to flee and to go into all the earth to spread the gospel, because they didn't want to go far from Jerusalem. And of course, the Lord and God in his providence used persecution in the early church days to ensure that the disciples actually did what they were supposed to do. And that is take the gospel out from Jerusalem into the ends of the earth. but here we have it. Jesus is prophesying, saying, indeed, the hour is coming, yes, has now come, that you will be scattered, each to his own and will leave me alone. So Jesus foretells of this scattering, and this scattering ends up coming to pass with the severe persecution that the disciples experienced as soon as Jesus, ascended. And so That's John, chapter 16, verses 31 and 33. And this is just one of a entire laundry list of Jesus foretelling of the future and it actually coming to pass. Which is just one of a ton of reasons why we can definitively say that Jesus is in fact the Son of God because of his ability not just to perform miracles, but, but to also foretell of things that were to come, which is not something that man necessarily has the ability to do. We can guess what's going to happen in the future, but no man knows. No man knows what the future holds. We can say we think this is what the future holds, or we hope this is what the future holds, but only God, and in this instance, the Messiah, so Son of God has the authority and the knowledge and the ability to foretell the future. That's John, chapter 16, verses 31. 33.

The United States has deployed the most military assets since the Iraq War

Well, let's talk a little bit about what's going on in, the Middle east in Iran. This is a very, developing fluid situation that, we're not really sure how this is all going to pan out. But nonetheless, the one thing we do know is that the United States has deployed the most military assets since, the Iraq War and the Gulf War, which are obviously two separate. But nonetheless, this is the most military buildup by the United States since those wars, since the Iraq War. And this is one of those instances where you look at the mass deployment, roughly 50% of America's military power is centered around the Middle east and around Iran. But you look at this, and there's just no way, in my opinion, that we get out of this with zero kinetic conflict. You don't spend, let's just say, tens of billions, probably into the hundreds, but let's just play it conservative. You don't spend tens of billions of dollars deploying half of the United States military arsenal to a, region of the world largest military buildup in the last 20 plus years so that you can do nothing and then just send everybody back home in the coming weeks or months. This is not, to me part of some negotiating ploy. Now why on earth, if it's not part of a negotiating tactic, then why on earth is the US and Iran even negotiating in Geneva right now, which is what they're supposedly doing? What are they negotiating about by the way? I mean, haven't we done this rodeo before? This goes back to Obama, actually goes out back, well before Obama. But as far as the negotiations go, Obama, let's say mainstreamed negotiations with Iran. Remember the famous Iran deal, the infamous Iran deal. And so we've been, we've been talking to Iran, we've been negotiating with Iran since Obama and through back channels well before that. But President Obama made it normal to like hang out and meet with Iran, which I think meeting with people and negotiating with people is perfectly fine, regardless of their position, regardless of their viewpoint. And so that's where we are today. So I don't know, I don't know what you could be talking about in Geneva that is going to move the needle and cause the US to bring home the billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars in military assets we currently have in the region. I'm not sure what's going to transpire in Geneva to cause us to not move forward with some type of kinetic action. Now one thing that is proven to be true with this development with Iran is that the world isn't as simple and black and white as many of us would like for it to be. Because if it were, you would look at this and go, wait, I thought back in June we bombed Iran's nuclear facility and they can't make nukes anymore. This is what we were told, by the way, by the White House. We were told that the US military and the B. It was either the B2 or B52, I think it was the B2 bombers went over to Iran in the dead of night, bombed their top nuclear research facility and set them behind a decade in their nuclear program. This was what we were told. And so if that's the case, then why would we meddle around with Iran or do any type of further kinetic action at any point in the near future with Iran. Well, it's not really about the nuclear program anymore. Oh, really? Because we've been told going back to Netanyahu's noteworthy historical speech before Congress, this is obviously well before pre Trump. This goes back. This was either during the Obama presidency, might have been even during the Bush presidency, but nonetheless, I think it was during Obama. Netanyahu, came before Congress and he had this, the whiteboard with the bomb on it, remember? And he had the fuse at the top and he had these different timelines as far as where Iran was on building a nuclear bomb. And he said they're like right at the top, like they're really close to getting a nuclear bomb. This is like 15 years ago. And then now we're told that they're close to getting a nuclear bomb. Witkoff, told the media that Iran was like a week away from having a deployable bomb. Now, he didn't use the word nuclear, so I don't know what he's talking about because they've got ballistic missiles now they're sending ballistic missiles over to Israel. They were doing that six months ago. And so this seems about way more than whether or not Iran has a nuclear bomb or not. Because if these, what appear to be imminent kinetic strikes on Iran have to do with their nuclear program, then what did we do six months ago or by now eight months ago? What were we doing in June of 25? I mean, were the strikes not effective? And the reason I'm raising these questions is because this is kind of a big deal. This is a big deal. One of President Trump's hallmark campaign promises, no more forever wars. And to his defense, he's got a very good track record on foreign policy. And I genuinely don't think he would get us at least intentionally in any type of war that lasts more than maybe weeks, maybe a month or two. I just don't see President Trump having an appetite for some entanglement in the Middle east that lasts months or years. I think he's got better decision making than that. He's got a. Honestly got a better track record than that. I think, I think Secretary of State Rubio, I think the Vice president, I think they all share this concern that, hey, we don't need to get involved in anything that is not very strategic, very targeted, and that doesn't, isn't able to be concluded in short order. And so the people we have making these decisions, for the most part, are Trustworthy. But these concerns that I'm raising about what exactly our rationale is, these have to be explained to the American people. Because war in general does not poll well with the American people. We have been burned through these decades long trillion dollar wars. So war, as you can tell, does not bode well for the American people, both Republicans and Democrats. It's just not a very popular issue. But you've got Washington talking and they're doing a lot of assuming they're running a lot of assumptions that the American people just, we just understand what's going on. Well, right now, if we're being honest, I actually don't understand what's going on. Now I can tell you what I think is going on. And here's what I think is going on. I think the Iran play has something to do with a larger picture and a longer window than we're being told. I don't think this is about Iran and nuclear weapons. If we want to take out the nukes, we send in the CIA, we send in Seal Team 6, Israel, sends in Mossad, and we just assassinate people. This is what we do, like it or not. So we can keep Iran from having nuclear weapons without getting in a public kinetic war. We just send in assets and we do what we have to do. This is what we've been doing for decades. And so I think personally, just from looking on the outside, I think this is about a longer term strategic geopolitical play that has to do with Russia and China. Then it really has to do with regime change or ensuring Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon, or we need to liberate the Iranian people, which all of those things may be true, some of them may be virtuous. But my point in this is that the American people are going to have to be given a clear picture of what exactly is going on here. You can't just say, hey, we need regime change or Iran, can't have nukes, or we need to liberate the Iranian people. Like all of these things are just like one off sentences like for a campaign slogan that don't fully explain what the geopolitical foreign policy play is here. By doing more kinetic strikes with Iran, we deserve a full explanation.

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Oklahoma State Representative Toni Hassenbach introduces religious freedom legislation

>> Walker Wildmon: Welcome, back to the program here on American Family Radio. Walker Wildmon here with you on this edition of the show. As a reminder, you can subscribe to the podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. Just type in the name of the program At the Core and click the subscribe button and the show will be queued up in your library each and every day. Well, I want to welcome, welcome to the program, Oklahoma State Representative Toni Hassenbach. she serves District 65 there in the state of Oklahoma, which we have a large listening, audience there in the state that this is going to be relevant to. But also the topic in general is relevant to our entire audience and that is some legislation to hopefully provide some structure and some more religious freedom to students and teachers in our public school systems. Representative Hassenbach, welcome to the program.

>> Toni Hasenbeck: Thank you so much. Good afternoon.

>> Walker Wildmon: Afternoon. Glad to have you on. We've got a lot of listeners here in Oklahoma and the Sooner State and of course this topic is important for everyone listening around the country on the network. but you've introduced, the Open to Religion act there in the state of Oklahoma and the state legislature that hopefully if passed, will provide some structure, some guardrails and really some clear direction to, school districts, superintendents, school administrators on how to facilitate religious time in our public school systems. So give us a little background on this legislation.

>> Toni Hasenbeck: Well, that's exactly correct. I was a 20 year classroom teacher and I can remember when I taught middle school, the ladies that I taught with in the hallway we we knew a lot, we had a lot of advanced degrees to be seventh grade teachers. And when students would have their mandatory moment of silence where they could pray or engage in any other silent activity, as long as it didn't disturb others, we would often say, you know, I don't think anybody working here would be able to tell me when to pray and how loud to pray and for what time I can pray. And I, think that, I think that statement in our lives as classroom teachers was just a reaction to maybe what outside groups were telling schools at the time they should do to keep from being sued. I think this bill provides a great deal of guardrails, to allow schools to understand the fundamental First Amendment rights that children have. And every time I talk about this, I talk about, I used to keep this a secret, but now I don't. I talk about how when, when students, First Amendment rights are challenged by the Supreme Court, the majority of cases find in, in favor of the student. And when I was a teacher, I never would tell students that, you know, when the dress code gets challenged in the Supreme Court, they're going to come down on your side. I always, I held that very close to my vest, but I did talk to my administrators about that. And so this bill I think just lets administrators know that if kids take some time to pray or read their Bible at school, no one's going to get sued and that children have those rights.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, and that's what, that's what this is really about. because unfortunately, to your point, school administrators and school attorneys and some of them probably should get the benefit of the doubt just because you can't, not everybody can be a constitutional expert and you really don't have to be. But every attorney for the most part is at least taught when they're representing their client or their school district or their company to avoid litigation. Right. We need to stay out of the courtroom. It's not smart. It costs a lot of money. And so, but when you have that mindset, oftentimes you'll, you'll sacrifice certain things or principles for the sake of not being litigated. And unfortunately that's what's happened with a lot of our school administrators and our school attorneys. I'm speaking across the country, they've gotten these threatening letters from the Freedom from Religion Foundation. They've said, oh no, we can't, nobody can pray in school. and then they'll quote some 30 year old Supreme Court case. But the fact of the matter is the Supreme Court and Lower courts have given students and teachers a lot of leeway to exercise their faith in the classroom. This bill simply provides the framework. And one example that I want you to kind of expound upon is if a group of students want to have a Bible study during non instructional time, the main thing that this bill does is it tells the school district how to accommodate that. Like can the kids use a classroom that's not being used for class for instructional time? Can they use that for their Bible study? That's a simple example as to the kinds of questions this legislation answers.

>> Toni Hasenbeck: It is and the, the framework, it's basically let's say someone sued a school for this particular thing and we look at the Coach Kennedy case versus Remington Public Schools. That's a real, everybody knows that case. and how this, this law would change things for the state of Oklahoma is the court is going to ask if, if this process is voluntary. It's 100% voluntary. The students have to have parental consent, the kids can opt out. We make sure that you know, the east side church and the west side church, those kids don't have to listen to each other's message. The people within those groups of students praying are protected from anybody else's message other than the one that their parents want them to hear. the prayer is not written or sponsored by the government. It's child led. And that really it protects the schools. And I also feel like we need to embolden our schools against groups like the Freedom from Religion group and other groups like that. Teachers unions that operate inside our states that thoroughly exist to keep administrators a little bit scared of sometimes doing the right thing.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, yeah. One of the examples that, that, that may help people understand this is like there's all kinds of school groups and school clubs, Fellowship of Christian Athletes for example. This is, and there's you know like a chess club or you know, different clubs. I can't think of all the top of my head. But nonetheless different students join different clubs and engage in, I mean there's Turning Point USA clubs all over the country and, but, and those clubs are allowed to use the school campus for their activities as long as the administration agrees to it and it doesn't interfere instructional time or required, time that students have to be in class or taking tests, etc. But if someone today were to ask to have a Bible study on campus during non instructional time, there would be all kinds of hoops and all kinds of questions and it would be overly complicated to Try to accommodate that, because all the lawyers would be going, oh, no, we can't do that. The fact of the matter is the Supreme Court and lower courts have affirmed that religious time can happen on public school grounds. as long as it's, as you said, student led and doesn't interfere with instructional time. And so this bill that you've helped introduce is just providing that framework, giving administrators in schools the easy way to do this, the legal way to do it, without running in any constitutional questions. And so it's a very, very important piece of legislation. Where is this bill in the state legislature in Oklahoma for our folks, maybe, that are Oklahoma voters and residents?

>> Toni Hasenbeck: Well, I got it out of our Education A and B committee. The next place that will be heard will be our overall A and B committee, and then we'll have it heard on the House floor.

>> Walker Wildmon: Excellent. Well, we want our folks in Oklahoma to, support this. And, and the name of the bill is the, Open to Religion Act. And it's correct in. In Oklahoma. It's House Bill 3240, if I'm not mistaken there.

>> Toni Hasenbeck: Did you say 3240?

>> Walker Wildmon: That's correct. Am I right? Yes, it is. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. I'm glad I didn't have that wrong, because we've got the bill going on in multiple states right now, so it's easy to get the. Get those bill numbers wrong.

Oklahoma Representative Hasenbeck introduces bill allowing Bible study in public schools

Representative Hasenbach, thank you so much for coming on the program. We appreciate your work. And I just got to give you a pat on the back, if you will, for bringing this bill up, for pushing it through your committee. this is a big deal, and if we. If it weren't for folks like you pushing legislation like this, there wouldn't be a lot of hope. So thank you for your courage and doing the right thing here.

>> Toni Hasenbeck: Well, absolutely. I used to let kids read their Bible in my classroom, and I told them if anybody told us we couldn't, I had a Supreme Court handbag, and I was ready to go. So.

>> Walker Wildmon: Excellent.

>> Toni Hasenbeck: This is an easy one for me.

>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, we've got to have fighters like you, though, because not everybody has, the clarity and the boldness that you do. So we've got to make it contagious. Representative, Harness from the state of Oklahoma serving District 65. Thanks so much for coming on the program.

>> Toni Hasenbeck: Absolutely.

>> Angela Hill: Thank you.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely. Well, there you have it. The Open to Religion act there in the state of Oklahoma. we're pushing this in multiple states, but it provides framework, for schools to follow, to allow Religious time and Bible studies in public schools. And as I tell people when I go and speak, we've got to reclaim the public schools. We cannot abandon them. There are tens of millions of students in these schools and to give them over completely to the secularists and the God haters would just be a huge mistake, in my opinion, not just from a spiritual vantage point, but, but from a long term strategic vantage point as well. From a culture and worldview standpoint, we cannot completely cede ground to the enemy in an institution like the public school systems that have tens of millions of kids going to them every single day. The more we can recapture of those institutions, the better in the long run. And so that's why we're pushing legislation just like this.

Energy policy plays a role in some of these decisions. Whether we like it or not

Well, back to the situation, I was talking about with Iran. I wanted to update you guys. I talked a little bit about this last week, kind of gave some off the cuff numbers, in real time as we were talking through this. But the the, the Venezuela situation, the Venezuela, arrest of their dictator, if you will, Maduro, might have something to do with this Iran move, if we're being honest, because let's connect the two to the degree that we can. A lot of the conflicts, well, part of the reason for some of the conflicts in the past has been over energy. Whether we like it or not, energy policy plays a role, in some of these decisions. When it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to conflicts, when it comes to war. And in this instance it's very possible that at least part of the decision making here has to do with further isolating China and their energy supplies. Let me explain. Venezuela, and I didn't know a lot of this until I started reading up on it, but isn't that how it always works? Venezuela was shipping, was exporting about 3 to 5% of China's oil, imports. About 3 to 5% of China's Oil imports were coming from Venezuela. All right, this is premature. So 3 to 5% of Venezuelan oil going into China. I'm sorry, 3 to 5% of China's consumption was coming from Venezuela. All right, okay, that seems rather insignificant. 3 to 5%. Well, what about Iran? About 15 to 20% depending on the month, of Iranian oil is. About 15 to 20% of China's oil consumption comes from Iran. On a high month, it's about 20 to 25% actually. So you combine those two, Iran and Venezuela, you're talking about upwards of 25% or a quarter of China's oil imports coming from Venezuela and Iran. That's a big deal. That's a big deal. So that very well could be playing into the decision making here is how can we further isolate China, make China feel the pressure and force China to back off all of their aggressive, maneuvers and their aggressive geopolitical plays to for example, capture Taiwan, things like that. How can we further isolate our enemies like China while you start interrupting their energy supply or at least intercepting it and having leverage and control over it. That could go a long way when it comes to negotiating.

Benefits of having a non Ayatollah in Iran outweigh the cost

So that's one thing to consider as far as the benefits of having a non Ayatollah, leader in Iran, having a more Western friendly leadership in Iran, as far as the long term benefits to that, these were easily justifiable benefits. Now it depends on the cost though. But Iran, if, we're being honest, Iran has been a problem child in the region for 40 to 50 years. Really? Really? 50 plus years since the 70s. Iran has been a problem child in that region for 50 years. They are responsible for the vast majority of problems and terror and disruptions in that entire region. For example, one of the primary funders of groups like Hamas and Hezbollah is who? Iran. Iran has been funneling to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, really billions over the years of money to Hezbollah and Hamas. I think it's safe to say without Iran, there is no Hamas and Hezbollah as we know it today. Furthermore, a lot of these proxy groups, of which there are dozens in that region, They've been attacking US troops for a long time. This goes back 20 plus years. They've been attacking US troops on the ground in Syria, in Iraq, all over that region. And if you were to talk to some of these Muslim majority nations, these Arab nations around that region, such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, uae, maybe even Qatar, they actually would be okay with Iran no longer being Iran as they know it. And so the benefit to not having the Ayatollah in charge and having a more Western friendly government, the benefits, they quickly begin to stack up. Israel, wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. They wouldn't have to worry about at least Iran sending over ballistic missiles to hit Israel are funding Hezbollah and Hamas. So the benefits, when you start to put them down, they quickly add up. And it actually becomes a pretty compelling case as to why we don't want the Ayatollah there anymore. But the question is, what are the cost? How many troops, how long of a conflict, how much money does it cost? What are the casualties? All of these things begin to add up to where that laundry list of benefits quickly begins to be challenged by what the cost might be to achieve such change. We'll be back in a few.

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American Family Radio welcomes back MS Senator Angela Hill from Mississippi

>> Walker Wildmon: Welcome to The Core here on American Family Radio. Glad to have you back for this last segment here on AFR. AFR.net is our URL and we upload the podcast each afternoon. wherever you listen to podcast, just go there, type in the name of the program, click the subscribe button, and our latest episode of the Days of the program will be queued up in your library. Well, on the following with us now, or rather on Zoom, is Senator Angela Hill from the state of Mississippi. She represents District 40 here in Mississippi and has been a guest on the program before. Senator Hill, welcome back.

>> Angela Hill: Glad to be back.

>> Walker Wildmon: Well, every year, every session, of the legislature, it never fails that you introduce a piece of legislation that we like, that we agree with, and we want to interview you on, because of your good efforts there in The State Senate.

Several states are refusing to cooperate with the Trump administration on illegal immigration

let's talk about illegal immigration, because that's what your bills relate to. And anybody who's been paying attention over the last 12 to 14 months has seen that various states around the country are refusing to cooperate with the Trump administration, with the federal government, to not only aid in mass deportations, but also just simply aid in ICE enforcement, actions on very violent people, very terrible people, some of them, rapists, murderers, drug dealers, cartel members, et cetera. And so conservative states need to fully cooperate, and those are some of the items that, your legislation, has to do with. So tell us a little bit about these bills that you're working on that are actually over now in the State House. tell us a little bit about this legislation.

>> Angela Hill: Well, everyone, you know, needs to remember that the number one issue that got Donald Trump elected was illegal immigration. I think that's probably the most prevailing issue. the open borders, the chaos, the rapes, the murders, the human trafficking. I think, you know, folks saw that as an answer to get Donald Trump back in there, to try to undo all the chaos that Joe Biden and his minions created over the time, you know, that he was in office, intentionally created and, you know, gave the lie to people that Congress would have to act to close the borders. And then Donald Trump, no sooner than he's, you know, inaugurated, he's got the borders closed without Congress. So, red, states like Mississippi really should do everything that they can to cooperate with ICE and to help get these illegals deported and back to their countries because, you know, it makes us safer, it saves our state money. and, you know, the prevailing argument, you know, that, that you hear amongst Democrats and even some Republicans is, well, that's a federal issue. You know, we need to just let the feds handle that. You know. But, you know, on the flip side, should our department, of Environmental Quality just stop doing anything in the state of Mississippi. Mississippi, as far as, you know, if, if, toxic waste is being dumped in the water, should they just stop doing everything? Because, we have an epa. Let the EPA handle it. That's a good analogy. we have to cooperate and we have to make sure that all of our law enforcement agencies are cooperating, because we do know that we have some across the state that do not want to cooperate and, you know, basically would just rather pretend like that the problem with these criminal illegals doesn't exist. Even though we have all these arrests in Mississippi, these high profile arrests from some of these violent sex offenders and drug traffickers and Human traffickers across the state. So I have two bills. One Senate bill 21214 is in the House Judiciary, a committee, with Representative Joey Hood. And the bill does three things. The first thing the bill does is it requires r Department of Public Safety to, interact with the federal government and all the data that the federal government has for them to compile that data so that we will know in Mississippi, you know, who is here illegally, what the feds know, and we will have a database that, you know, we can go from to try to work from the top down and try to help the federal government get the worst of the worst out of here, and cooperate with them. The second thing it does is it makes illegal immigration a state crime, for which if someone comes directly to the state, from the water or from an airplane from a foreign country and lands in Mississippi, that creates a new crime, a new felony. we believe that this will be upheld if it's challenged. and, one more thing that the bill does. It requires a 287 agreement, with all our law enforcement with ICE, to make sure that they are cooperating, with the federal enforcement agencies. and then it also enhances the penalties for someone who comes in and commits a, ah, crime, while they're an illegal alien in the state. And all that is deterrence to help us have, a policy in place that makes illegals not want to come to Mississippi, not want to come here to commit their crimes and put the burden on our law enforcement, to have to deal with them. So I think the more teeth that we have in the law, for our law enforcement to cooperate with ICE and to focus on illegal immigration, the better off our citizens are and the safer our citizens are in the state of Mississippi.

>> Walker Wildmon: The 287G provision gets me the most excited here. And it's, don't get me wrong, it's all good. The entire bill is good. we're talking about Senate Bill 2114 that Senator Angela Hill passed, helped pass through the Senate and author, and then it's over in the House now in Judiciary, a committee. But the 287 provision, or, program rather, and your bill would require all Mississippi law enforcement agencies to enroll and cooperate with federal officials on immigrations and customs enforcement, which is the key problem we've had in other states where local law enforcement agencies or local jails, county jails, they're not even cooperating with ice. So they have a violent offender who's an illegal immigrant got a lengthy rap sheet and is in the local county jail instead of putting a detainer on them and letting ICE know, hey guys, we've got this illegal immigrant. Why don't you come pick him up? They're just putting him back on the street. And so this bill ensures that all Mississippi law enforcement agencies enroll in the 287 program, which would go a long way in ensuring federal officials could actually do their job.

>> Angela Hill: Exactly. And the bottom line is it'll make our state safer and it'll actually save our law enforcement money. And you know, some are saying, well it's going to cost us extra money to do the 287 program, which I truly don't think it will. I think it'll save money in the long run. But my other bill, Senate Bill 2828 actually creates a way to fund 287 grants through the Department of Public Safety to all the law enforcement agencies across the state. So Senate Bill 2828 is in the House Banking and Finance Committee under Chairman Shane Aguirre, or Shane Aguirre, I think I pronounced Shane's name wrong the first time. so that bill, what that bill does is it requires illegal aliens who are in this state and not paying taxes and not contributing to actually pay a fee when they send, when they send wire transfers out of the country, when they're making money not paying taxes, getting paid in cash, and go send that money across the, across the water. This would put a fee on that money that they're sending across the country. and if you're a citizen and you're doing everything right, you can get that money back, by filing a tax return. So this is catching those folks that aren't paying taxes, with a fee, on the wire transfers out of the country on cash wire transfers. And look, this is something that Oklahoma's been doing since like the early 2000s. Oklahoma did it even before the federal government put their fee on there. So this bill is modeled with, with similar language to Oklahoma, Similar language to the federal government. So you know, that would go into a pool of ah, a state fund that would be managed by the Department of public safety for 287 grants so that our local law enforcement officers would have extra funds to you know, actually go whole hog in the 287 program and do as much as they can possibly do to help the situation with deporting these criminal illegals and cooperating with ICE.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely. And there's actually speaking of the 287 program. There's actually various federal incentives to cooperate, such as even financial, reimbursement. There's a couple billion dollars at play there for agencies that cooperate with the feds. Now, could that change with previous future administrations? Of course it could. but right now the, the opportunity for local law enforcement agencies to cooperate with the federal government is just plentiful. It's a very good opportunity.

>> Angela Hill: It certainly is. But Mississippi also has to think long term, or should be thinking long term. And if we can get Senate Bill 2828 passed, we will have a stable, long serving, stream of revenue for the 287 program. And we won't be dependent on who's sitting in the White House and whether or not they're prioritizing, you know, deporting illegal criminal aliens. So, you know, it comes a time when Mississippi needs the authority and the wherewithal and the funds to be able to take care of what we need to take care of, whether we have a strong federal leader or a weak federal leader. So I think that both of these bills would put Mississippi on a really, really good footing, to be able to do everything that we need to do even if we don't have a structure, strong person in the White House in the future, who is, you know, tough on illegal immigration. but we're, you know, we're counting on that. The Lord's going to provide us with somebody that wants to continue to protect our country and keep our borders closed. but we have to, you know, do our due diligence to make sure that we're both cooperating with them and helping ourself if we don't have as much help from the feds in the future.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely. Well, Senator Hill, thank you so much for coming on the program. We appreciate you working on this legislation. Hopefully, prayerfully, these bills, both of them will make it out of the House and to the governor's desk. We appreciate you coming on.

>> Angela Hill: Yes. And please contact your chairman over in the House, Representative Hood and Representative Aguirre and let them know that you support these bills.

>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely. Thanks so much, Senator Hill. Appreciate you coming on. Absolutely.

Every state ought to be doing this, some already are

That's ah, Senate Bill 2114 and Senate Bill 2828 now working, working their way over to the House in Mississippi, the State House and the Judiciary, a committee, every state ought to be doing this. Some already are. But every state ought to be doing this. It's an absolute no brainer, between the 287 program, which, should be happening with every law enforcement agency, but unfortunately it's not. between that and then, the refundable fee on international wire transfers out of the state, that's a no brainer because this is what's happening and this is. I don't know why there's not more regulation on this to disincentivize it. But the illegal immigrants for, forever, forever have been wiring money out of the states back, back to their home country, back to their family, which the core fundamental problem with that is that you're illegal. Okay? So if you want to come over here legally and you want to wire money back to your family, good for you, good for you. Even though I don't like American dollars leaving America and not benefiting our own country. But if you're paying taxes and you're paying your, as Obama says, fair share, whatever that is, then whatever. But that's not what's happening here. There's nothing just and right about this. Illegal immigrants are coming in, they're working, they're earning money, they're not paying taxes, and then they're wiring the money back home. And that's been going on for as long as I can remember. And there's been no, crackdown on it. Now the treasury under Scott Besant has actually said he's starting to crack down on it and requiring some proof of citizenship before wire transfers can be initiated out of the states. So we'll see where that goes. Some of it's very hard to get to, some of it's very secretive, and hard for the feds to regulate. But if we can ever get control of the billions of dollars leaving the America shores and going overseas, or in this instance going down south of the, the border, that could be a huge lever, that we can pull to really disincentivize this illegal labor and this illegal immigration that has been going on for so very long.

The Mexican military took out one of the top cartel leaders over the weekend

But President Trump, I don't know if you guys saw what happened down in Mexico over the weekend, but the Mexican military, along with us, military, took out one of the top cartel leaders in Mexico. And the, the cartels, for those who don't know, the cartels are so deeply entrenched in Mexico. And this is not a secret. This is. Anybody who reads up on this understands the cartels are so deeply entrenched in Mexico. It is just an established, accepted fact. And there's this informal agreement between the cartels and the Mexican government that, hey, you guys, don't mess with us. And we won't mess with you. Think about that. This is the neighbor just to our south. And the cartels, not just one, but many, are running this de facto government down in Mexico. And, and, and no smart Mexican president would dare challenge the cartels because they will be, to use lingo, they will be knocked off quicker than they can even say knocked off. No president of Mexico dare challenges the cartels. And the cartels even know not to mess with us tourists. They don't mess with us tourists. They leave the tourist zones alone. Cartels do their thing. They run their show, they run their shadow government. And everybody looks the other way like they don't know what's going on. And then when you saw the retaliation and the mass rioting, the mass looting and the murder of over two dozen Mexican National Guardsmen just in this tourist area, this is a big problem. And our leaders are going to have to address this because we cannot have such a corrupt government and society as our southern neighbor and keep ignoring this. This has to be fixed. We'll see you next time.

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