More than 7 million American women suffer severe emotional distress after an abortion
>> Walker Wildmon: Friends, new research is revealing something heartbreaking. More than 7 million American women suffer severe long lasting emotional distress after an abortion. Grief, flashbacks and a quiet regret that often never goes away. And my friends at preborn see this pain firsthand in the thousands of clinics they support. But there is hope. And it begins with something powerful. When a woman sees her baby on an ultrasound, everything changes. Her baby's chance at life doubles. And for just $28, you can support that ultrasound, bringing a lifetime of blessing. This is what real healthcare looks like. Inside preborn network clinics. Preborn stands on the front lines providing free ultrasounds, compassionate counseling and gospel centered support to young mothers in crisis. They are saving babies, they are healing hearts and they are making motherhood possible. If you believe as I do, that every child matters and no woman should walk through this road alone, just join me today. Support an ultrasound PreBorn was honored with the 2025 shining light award for financial integrity. So you can give with confidence. To donate, dial £250 and say baby. Dial £250 and say baby. That's £250 baby. Or visit preborn.com afr that's preborn.com afr. We inform religious freedom is about people of faith being able to live out their faith, live out their convictions no matter where they are. We equip sacred honor is the courage to speak truth, to live out your free speech. We also rejoice in our sufferings because we know that suffering produces perseverance, perseverance, character and character hope. This is at the core on American Family Radio foreign welcome to the core here on American Family radio. Glad to have you with us here on the program afr. Glad to be back on this brand new edition of the show. And it seems like a long time since we've been live and that's because it has. We were not live on Monday due to the ice storm that moved through the area and Rick had a re. Air dropped in for yesterday and here we are live on this Wednesday edition of the program. Glad to be with you.
Jesus foretold of his own death, crucifixion and resurrection
Let's turn our attention to the scripture, John, chapter 12 is where we are. John, chapter 12. And here in the latter part of the chapter, Jesus predicts his death on the cross and regarding the name of the Lord. And regarding Jesus, Jesus says in verse 27, Father, save me from this hour. Talking about the hour of his arrest, the hour of his death and crucifixion. Jesus says, father save me from this hour. But for this purpose I Came to this hour, Father, glorify your name. And then in verse 28 it says, then a voice came from heaven saying, I have both glorified it and will glorify it again. Talking about, the name of, God, the name of Jesus. But what stands out to me here is the fact that Jesus, foretold of his own death, of his own crucifixion, and ultimately of his own resurrection. And this is, just one of a multitude of times in, Jesus ministry on earth where he, prophesies or foretells of his divinity, of his power, and the fact that he is the Son of God. And so this is just further mounting evidence that Jesus in fact was the Son of God because he had the ability and the knowledge to foretell his death, burial and resurrection. But not just foretell it, but then see it through fruition. See, it to fruition. And so that's, ah, John, chapter 12, verses, let's say 28, 35 in John 12.
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I want to mention preborn because we are still mentioning preborn through the rest of this week. We're trying to rehit our goal of 5,000 ultrasounds for the last few weeks. PreBorn is an excellent ministry we've been partnering with for over a decade. And here's the breakdown on what your donation provides. 100% of the donations that come into AFR for, for preborn over the next week and over last week as well, all of this goes to preborn ministry. And so $28 is providing one ultrasound. $140 is providing five ultrasounds. If you would like to help underwrite an entire ultrasound machine, a generous, very generous gift of $15,000 will actually cover the cost of an entire machine that will go to one of these preborn partner clinics. And so preborn ministry partners with local pro life pregnancy clinics and helps provide the ultrasounds, through the machines and then the training and all associated with providing these clinics with, the ultrasound machine. And so there's thousands of preborn partner clinics all around the country. And lives are being saved not just in the physical realm through mothers choosing life, but also thousands of moms coming to know Jesus through the ministry of these preborn partner clinics. So there's a lot going on here, towards kingdom purposes. And it's a phenomenal ministry that we couldn't speak more highly of. That's preborn. So if you want to call, 877-616-2396, that's the number. 877-616-2396 we're going to have the call center up for the next few days or you can Simply go to afr.net afr.net and donate to preborn [email protected] well, I want to talk about an incident that happened, over the weekend. I haven't been able to address it, but the shooting in Minneapolis. Before I do that, let me not fail to mention we're going to have Steve Tyber on here in just a few minutes to talk about the ice storms that moved through Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia and other states as well. Talk about what Eight Days of Hope is doing. It's, had a pretty devastating effect on parts of north, and northwest Mississippi. Some folks still, dealing with power outages, even water loss. And in some instances, gas pipes, have ruptured and aren't able to deliver gas to certain regions. So here in Tupelo we were thankfully, you know, escaped the worst of it. but other parts of Mississippi west of here, got hit pretty, pretty hard. And so, we'll talk to Steve Tavor about that here in just a few minutes.
Shooting in Minneapolis that left one dead could have been avoided, expert says
But the shooting in Minneapolis, this was the shooting that happened late last week, early into the weekend. I want to set up what's going on here and then remind our audience and remind the public of how this is 100% preventable. All right, first off, the Border Patrol was conducting, ah, immigration enforcement operations in Minneapolis when they got in a, basically an altercation and a scuffle with a male, a middle aged male, who was armed with a firearm. He was in legal, mostly legal possession with a firearm. I don't think he had his license on him, but nonetheless he was a legal firearm owner and possessor, and he was aiding the left wing rioters and mob in combating, if you will, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations. All right, so that's the context in Minneapolis. And these federal officers have been harassed day in, day out for months now in these major cities where they can't just focus on doing their primary job of arresting illegal immigrants. They've gotten into the business of crowd control and traffic violations. I mean, they're just like doing it all because they have no help because local law enforcement has been instructed to back out, to not assist the Trump administration in any federal law enforcement activities. And so that's the context. Very chaotic environment. And tragically, this ended with a shooting between federal law enforcement and this individual in which federal law enforcement fatally shot the individual after this altercation, all right? And I don't want to overlook the tragedy of the loss of human life. Justified, not justified. Reasonable force, not reasonable force under all circumstances, where innocent life, are really just life. You don't determine innocence until you have a trial. but any instance where a life is taken, justified or not, it's a human tragedy because somebody's lost a family member, some, law enforcement agent has experienced a very traumatic scenario where they've had to discharge their firearm or they've had to use deadly force. This is a bad situation all the way around, all right? So I want to point that out on the front end, even when, these mobs are, attacking law enforcement and the law enforcement is fully, legally justified and morally justified, it's still a human tragedy because life had to be taken to protect, life and property. And so that's the context. But what I want to highlight the last few minutes we have left is how this is all 100% preventable, all right? If all of this could be avoided, all of this conflict, all of this confrontation, all of this, drama in Minneapolis could be 100% easily avoided if this one thing happened. If local, county and state law enforcement officials and political officials would fully cooperate with the federal government in honoring the detainers that ICE has in place for these violent criminals. Under normal circumstances, in a sane world, when local law enforcement, local or state law enforcement apprehends an individual because a crime has been committed or they believe a crime has been committed, under normal circumstances, if that individual is showing up in the database of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement as having a outstanding detainer and a hold put on their name under normal circumstances, what happens at that point is the local law enforcement or the state law enforcement agency notifies Immigrations and Customs Enforcement that they've arrested an illegal immigrant for an alleged crime, and they have X amount of hours, 24, 48, 72 hours to come and take this alleged criminal illegal immigrant into federal custody to carry out deportation. All right? That's what happens under normal circumstances. And when that happens and local and state law enforcement fully cooperate, as they should, then there's not these. These traffic stops and these chasing illegal immigrants in the streets and busting down doors, all of this is completely avoided. And here's how it's completely avoided. It's completely avoided because Immigrations and Customs Enforcement pull up to the jail, the city, county, state jail, and they go to the front lobby, and they say, hey, we're here for so. And so we've got an, we've got a detainer out for this individual. And the jail goes, okay, pull up to the back door, we'll bring them out to you. And they bring him out and they get in the federal law enforcement cruiser, and then they're gone. And there's no fanfare, there's no cameras, there's no action, there's no tear gas, there's no wrestling people in the streets. There's none of that. And the community doesn't even know what's going on except for their noticing that their streets are safer. So this is what normal agencies do. This is what normal people do, is they honor and they fully cooperate with federal immigration officials to ensure that these ICE detainers are handled. This was happening regularly under President Obama. This is how President Obama was able to deport 5 million illegal immigrants with no fanfare. That's because local and state law enforcement fully cooperated. There was no problem. There's no issue with this. Democrats came to the scene after Obama and they decided it would be a great idea during the first Trump administration to not cooperate with federal officials. And this is why we have many Minneapolis, this is why we have Minnesota is because Governor Walls, Mayor Frey or Fry, depending on how you pronounce it, and all the other Democrats, including Keith Ellison, the Attorney General in Minnesota, they've all agreed not to cooperate with ice, not to cooperate with federal law enforcement and not to honor the ICE detainers. And so the only way for immigration officials to, to make arrest of, illegal immigrants and carry out deportations, which is their legal obligation, they have to go in the streets and they have to hunt them down and find them one by one. And this is why we have two dead individuals in the streets of Minneapolis. One of them in, ah, a clearly justified shooting with the vehicle ramming attack. And in this other one, which is still under investigation, with the gentleman who had a firearm present at this protest and was disobeying lawful orders. All of this could have been avoided had local law enforcement cooperated with ice.
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American Family Radio still has several radio stations without power following Southeast ice storm
Welcome back to the second segment of today's program here on American Family Radio. for those of you who are listening and who are listening loud and clear, whether you're on our app or through our FM radio signals all around the country, we do have several, probably above 20 radio stations that are without power or, they have ice on the antennas from the storm that came through the Southeast. So we still have, well over two, dozen signals, that are still off or maybe running on low power throughout the Southeast. And so make, sure, folks and friends that, you know, are aware of that. And for most of them, as soon as that ice falls off, the antennas will be back up at full power. And then for the power outages, that's out of our hands. We're relying on local utilities, to get those signals back up. but that's the latest. And as we told folks late last week, afr.net and the AFR app is the most reliable way to listen 24 7. We were able to keep our live streams up, M24 7 throughout the entire weekend. And, I know we had several thousand folks take advantage of that. Well, Steve Tyber is with us. Speaking of the ice storm, Steve Tiber with eight Days of Hope. And Steve, welcome back to the program.
>> Steve Tybor: Yeah, thank you, Walker.
Over 100,000 Mississippi families still without power as of this minute
It's been a bit, which we've enjoyed the little bit of a break, but, boy, this storm has really got the nation's attention and definitely ours as well.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, this, here's what happened, Steve, in Tupelo, I'm in West Tupelo, I'm in Belden where I live. And, what happened? And I'm sure you've heard, but what happened. But going into Saturday night, we had fared pretty well. there was partial Sleet, partial, freezing rain, but not enough to bring power down or cause significant issues. so we went into Saturday night feeling pretty good about where we were. And we basically thought to ourselves, if we can get to tomorrow morning, we'll be good. And about that time, about 9pm at my house in West Tupelo, Pine, trees started snapping and thankfully, no structural damage at my home. I did lose power for a couple days. But in the grand scheme of what some of these folks are dealing with, that's very minimal. and so, but farther west, what you're going to talk about when you get over towards Pontotoc county, you get over towards, Oxford, Mississippi, they got hit very hard, very hard. So. So bring us up to speed on this.
>> Steve Tybor: Yeah, thank you, Walker. So when the storm hit, we knew we were going to respond. You know, without a doubt, Tennessee And Mississippi, those two states still, as of this minute, both have over 100,000 families without power. And when you don't have power, that means, you know, you can't, and especially if you have damage on your property, you can't get to the pharmacy, you know, you can't get out of the house, you can't go get food, you can't get to a warming station. And so very quickly we decided one of the first things we could do is find a way to provide food. As you know, Walker, we have four arms of the Ministry of Eight Days of Hope, Rapid Response, rebuilding, mass feeding, and we built safe places for women and children rescued from trafficking. Our mass feeding arm had thousands of meals frozen, ready to go because that's how we operate. And then we had enough ingredients to make another 6,8000 meals right there in Mississippi. And so very quickly we decided, you know, as much as we want to be in Tennessee as well, there's a dozen communities within 60 miles of our building. Our headquarters is there in Pontotoc, outside of Tupelo. It didn't make Sense to drive 6 and 8 and 10 hours on icy roads to try to bring food. And so the first night we provided food in four different, three different locations. the second day, yesterday we provided food in four locations, and today we're back at four locations as well. We love setting up, our feeding stations at a local church. You know, we do what we do because we want to be a light in a world that sometimes seems pretty dark. And so when we could partner with the local church and let them hand the food out, let them be the heroes, let them invite these families back to their church, they make connections because we're going to move on to the next town. And so already thousands of meals have been given out today, and tomorrow, I think by tomorrow will be around 8 to 10,000 meals. And so, yeah, it's been nonstop and we are not going to stop providing food until the power is back up. So that arm has been busy and will continue to be busy and will continue to shift around. So if you live in northeast Mississippi, go to the website atheisthope.com and just see where we're setting up food stations that day.
>> Walker Wildmon: Steve, some of these areas, you know, Even just within 30 minutes of Tupelo, Mississippi are. It's night and day difference. For example, Blue Mountain, Mississippi, where Blue Mountain Christian University is, they've lost not only power, not just water, but they also had a main gas line break, so they don't have gas for a part of Blue Mountain. I mean, you guys are there as well. I know your feeding arm is there. Is that correct?
>> Steve Tybor: Yes, sir. We've been feeding there since we launched.
>> Walker Wildmon: Okay, yeah, that's very helpful because those kind of situations where you, you don't have water, you don't have power, and you don't even have heating gas, that's a major, major issue. So I'm glad you guys are there providing warm meals, for those families.
>> Steve Tybor: Yeah. And you know what's unique, Walker? When we partner with a church or, local, leaders, they find a way to get the food to the families that have a tree over their driveway or blocking the road. And so I've been so encouraged by all the volunteers. You know, we don't have a lot of staff members and I think we're up to a whopping 50, 15, but we have 300. We have 300 volunteer leaders and God has sent us 60,000 volunteers. They're the ones making the food, delivering the food. And so, yeah, it's been nonstop also, you probably saw. But earlier today we announced that we are going to go to Oxford, Mississippi with our rapid response team. And that area is so hard hit, Walker. It just, it breaks my heart just seeing the pictures and the videos. But our rapid response team of course brings heavy equipment. It brings people who've been trained to handle, chainsaws, you know, up 50ft up in the air. we already have, I think well over 100 people have already signed up to be there starting Friday. Our leaders are there today, coming up with a plan we set up at a local church. We're going to be there for multiple weeks if you live in that area. I know people are listening around the country, but maybe you have a loved one that lives in the Oxford, Mississippi area. All they have to do is email us at info info at 8 Days of Hope and just tell us what they need help with. Do they have a tree on the roof? Do they have a tree blocking their driveway? Do they need food? And we will do our best to get to them as soon as possible. But the volunteers will start showing up from around the country Friday. I know they're already driving down from Kansas, from NewSong York. We've got volunteers coming from Canada to Mississippi. So the body of Christ has seen the need and now they're responding.
>> Walker Wildmon: Steve?
Just in Mississippi, over 100,000 still without power following ice storms
I don't want to spend too much time kind of in the weeds of these ice storms, but they're with. With thousands still without power. Just In Mississippi, over 100,000 still without power. if your home is not being heated, you either need to leave your water running or cut your water off at the meter. I mean, that's pretty much the tip that I've been, that I've heard. Because if you don't, then you create a cascading effect where you don't just go from needing power. Now you've got a pipe burst and now you have water damage. Is that correct?
>> Steve Tybor: You know, that happened to me. I was living in Tupelo Whiskey and West Virginia, and I had a pipe burst in my attic, during that Nordic freeze back there, what, six, eight years ago. And by, the time I made it back home, we had well over triple figures of damage on the house. The house looked great, but had 2ft of water in it. And that's what happens with these frozen pipes. And so you've got to stay safe. Your safety of your life is the most important thing. So if you're going to go to a warming station, if you're going to go to a local church, praise God. we're providing food to some of those as well. But you'll be, you'll be taken care of, but you've got to do some things before you leave your house, like you just mentioned.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Steve Tybor: yeah. So, you know, we know there's no quick fix here, Walker. We're going to be there as long as we're needed. we believe it's going to be multiple, multiple weeks. People can go to our website and volunteer. It's always free to volunteer with us. We provide food and lodgings. So if you are coming from Ohio or North Carolina. And you want to be the hands of feet of Jesus. Come hang out with us. Come hang out for two days, five days, stay for weeks. we got you. And you're going to make some lifelong friends, serving some of these precious families.
>> Walker Wildmon: Amen. Steve, I'm looking at your website right now, eight Days of Hope Comm. When folks go there, right at the top of the page you have a notice, a notification about this, this winter, storm, and about how folks can volunteer. so folks, you can go to 8daysofhope.com right there on the top of the page, you can click the learn More tab and then you'll see the mass feeding arm press release along with information there. you've got some information on rapid response in Oxford that's coming up very soon here, in a couple days. but, Steve, also tell folks how they can donate to Ideas of Hope.
>> Steve Tybor: Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much. You know, we never not deploy because we haven't raised money or awareness. You know, we are prepared to make tens and tens and tens of thousands of meals until we're not needed. And so they can give online. We have partners, 20 of them, including American Family Radio. These partners so in the ministry of Eight Days Hope every year. So anything you give right now will be spent in Mississippi, on these families. The monies you give won't be for a laptop or a salary or for a shiny truck. So know that 100% of that will be passed so you can give online. It's fast, it's easy, it's safe. The other thing you do is you can text a gift, text the word give to 86373, give to 86373, or you can mail a check. That mailing address is on our website and our Facebook page. But be praying, I tell you, people right now are feeling hopeless, and yet they're going to meet strangers who will become their friends after a day or two. So be praying for the volunteers, for their safety, for the families we're serving. But Walker, thank you. And your dad, the whole team, thanks for being a national partner. And man, thank you so much for having me on today, man. I really appreciate it.
>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely, Steve. God bless you, brother. And, we'll touch base soon once you guys get over there in Oxford with your, rapid response team. And we'll, get some updates from you as you go.
>> Steve Tybor: Thank you, brother. God bless you, man.
>> Walker Wildmon: All right, thanks, Steve.
Eight Days of Hope is helping Mississippi recover from devastating ice storm
That's Steve Tiber, founder, along with his father of Eight Days of Hope and obviously President now and has been since the inception of the ministry. And they are doing mass feeding for four locations in north and northwest Mississippi. and so you can go to 8daysofhope.com to find out more information. 8daysofhope.Com I encourage you to volunteer and donate if you can to eight Days of Hope as they carry out this critical work. And as I mentioned last week jokingly before this ice storm hit because we weren't really sure the severity of it at the time, I joked about how Mississippi is just not set up for any kind of aggressive winter. like maybe folks up in the north and northeast are, they're used to this, this type of temperatures and ice is, is on the regular for those guys up there. but the but, but late into Saturday night and early Sunday morning is when the temperatures dropped and the precipitation continued pretty heavily for the next 12 hours or so. And that's what did the majority of this damage. And over in the Mississippi Delta they got hit pretty hard as well. on the west side of Interstate 55 they got hit pretty hard. And what seems to be the common denominator here on some of these counties that are having a hard time recovering, is some of these rural areas, these power co ops just don't have as many resources available at their disposal as some of these larger co ops in some of these more densely populated areas. Now thankfully they're surging in resources from around the state and neighboring states thankfully to get these folks power back up. But it's been a pretty life altering event over the last several days for some of the folks that are still dealing with this. And they've made a lot of headway. We were at nearly 200,000 power outages in the state as of just a couple of days ago. We're down to 115,000 left, power outages. And but Oxford, Mississippi by far is, is one of the hardest hit counties in Mississippi. especially Oxford proper. They got pounded with ice for hours and so they'll be there, we be, it'll be weeks, weeks recovering there to get any semblance of normalcy back. But eight Days of Hope is going to be on the ground there. They're going to be helping remove debris from properties, help haul off debris from, from other areas as well. So we appreciate Eight Days of Hope. And Tennessee got hit pretty hard too. They, Tennessee got hit pretty hard especially around Nashville, southwest Nashville. They Got hit pretty hard as well. So the storm, could have been, could have been a lot worse. but it did track pretty much in line with what the meteorologists predicted. It pretty much tracked in line. And the bizarre thing about this storm is it varied. You could go one mile down the road and there's virtually no effect. And then you go one mile down the road the other direction and power lines are all over the place. And that's what happened here in Tupelo on the west side of town. Ice everywhere, limbs down all over the place. But you go five miles east to the middle of Tupelo and you can't even find ice anywhere. so, it was quite interesting to see the difference just within the same town. I will give a couple shout outs while I remember we got about a minute left. Tom Bigby Electric has been phenomenal. these guys have been working nearly 24, 7, not quite, but nearly 24, 7 for the past four or five days to get people back online. And they're still out there working today. So we appreciate all of the electric power companies and the cooperative programs. Those guys are doing great work around the clock to get people back, with their power on. And then I've got to give a shout out to Home Depot because I went to Home Depot right after I lost power to get some electrical parts and their power was off and their manager was just extremely nice. They let us come in, get equipment that we needed. They took our name and number down. They called us when they got power back on and we were able to pay over the phone. But just to see that kind of hospitality and that kind of accommodation during an emergency like that was just very, very good to see. so Home Depot has been treating everybody very well around here, and other, other, other stores and local businesses as well. Been very, very helpful. So, thank you folks for listening. We got a segment left. We'll see you in a few minutes. This is at the core on American Family Radio with your host, Walker Wildmon.
Walker Wildmon welcomes Katie Faust to American Family Radio
Welcome back to the program. Walker Wildmon here on American Family Radio. Thank you to everyone listening. And as a reminder, you can listen 24 7, 365 on the AFR app. As long as you have Internet, afr app and afr.net Katy Faust is with us, a guest, before multiple times here on the program. President and founder of Them Before Us organization and also organizing and leading a brand new campaign to combat the 2015 Supreme Court ruling that had a domino effect on, children and not in a good way. Katy's with us now to talk about that. Katy, welcome to the program.
>> Katie Faust: It's always good to be with you. We, also host a show on, AFR every weekend. And so you have been a big part of our, journey to spread this message about the rights of children needing to triumph and be prioritized above the desires of adults. So we're very, very thankful for AFA and all the ways that you stand for the natural family and the primary beneficiaries of the natural family, which are children.
>> Walker Wildmon: M Amen Then before us airs at 3pm each Saturday here on American Family Radio 3 Central. And then of course, you can get the podcast anytime you want, [email protected] and the AFR app. So. Good point, Katy. I'm glad you pointed that out.
The Supreme Court legalized same sex marriage on a national scale in 2015
Katy, tell us about, well, first, before we get into the nuts and bolts of the Greater Than campaign, help our listeners understand the gravity of the 2015 ruling. I mean, this was thought to be just about what two adults can do at the courthouse. but the domino effect and the ripple effect has had widespread ramifications for children. Correct?
>> Katie Faust: Yeah. The legal redefinition of marriage on a national scale happened in 2015 when the Supreme Court ruled on the case of Obergefell v. Hodges that, the government in essence mandated same sex marriage for the whole country, despite the fact that there were dozens of states that had defined marriage in, as a traditional marriage arrangement, male, female, in their own state constitutions and their own state laws. What Obergefell did is it said that you are not allowed to elevate or prioritize or recognize that one specific family arrangement, a child's own mother or father married to one another for life, and privilege that above other adult relationships. And Justice Kennedy in his, his ruling said, you know, same sex couples need the full constellation of benefits that opposite sex couples got through marriage. Now, the problem is marriage is directly connected to parenthood laws. And two adults of the same sex can never both be the parents of a child. So what we've seen over the last 10 years is a total reordering of parenthood, laws around the desires of adults to the negation of a child's need for their own mother and father. So, you know, through a variety of different reinterpretations, downgrades, recategorizations in law in a variety of different ways. What we have now is, an understanding of the family that is not children are born into A pre political relationship with their own mother and father. It is now, in essence, children are functional accessories to be awarded to whatever adult has the money and means to acquire them. There is a direct connection between gay marriage and the commodification of children.
>> Walker Wildmon: Katy, when you put it that way, I think we've got probably 70 to 80% of the country on board. They would hear you and they would not object. They may not be clapping for Katy, but they would be nodding their head going, yeah, that kind of makes sense. I would say at least 70 to 80% of the country, maybe even higher than that. but the way it was presented to the American people, despite the objections from yourself and AFA and countless other groups and individuals that said, hey, guys, this isn't a good idea. And we tried to explain why it's not a good idea. they, refused to hear it out and reason with us and instead said, this is about love. this is about two consenting adults being able to do what they want. live and let live. This doesn't affect the church. This doesn't affect religious freedom. This is simply two adults being able to go to the courthouse and have their relationship recognized by the state. and when you put it that way, you go, well, what's the problem with that? Right? Assuming you don't have a moral or biblical objection to, you know, homosexuality, etc. But when you bring in the effects on children here and parental rights, by the way, which I've got to even admit, when we were debating Obergfell pre. Obergfell ruling, I was not even fully taking into effect the what this would do to parental rights, to parentage, to how society understands mommy and daddy. all of that has been erect, in our country through one ruling. what do you think is, Do you think we have to convince the public of this all over again, or do you think we just need to convince five judges, five justices of this all over again?
>> Katie Faust: I think that we need to do both. We need to do three things. There's three different, expressions of this campaign. We want a credible judicial strategy that forces the court to reconsider their ruling. We're going to do that by asking a different kind of question. It is, you're exactly right that the question before the court in 2015 and the question that the public thought they were answering is, do gay people have dignity? Are they equal in the eyes of the law? And I think all of us would say, yes, of course gay people have dignity and they are equal. Full citizens, just like the rest of us. But the question we're going to be asking before the court is do children benefit from, need, deserve, and have a right to their own mother and father? We're going to be putting that question to the court and to the culture as well. We're going to be asking a, different question. And when you do that, and if the court decides on, the children's side, which is they do need their own mother and father, those two adults benefit them in ways that state assigned adults do not. And by the way, we've got a couple centuries of common law that reinforces that primary pre political parent, child relationship. It's all about asking a different question. And it's exactly what you said, Walker, that most people, when they think about gay marriages, they think, well, I love my gay family and friends, or I do think that they're equal, so we should have gay marriage. But if you ask them a different question, which is, do children need mothers and fathers? They would go, oh, my gosh, of course. Children need mothers and fathers.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Katie Faust: So what we're going to point out to them is you cannot hold, both of these. You cannot say, I support gay marriage and children need mother and fathers, because wherever gay marriage has been legalized in any of the 38 countries that have redefined marriage, they have simultaneously weakened or destroyed a child's right to their mother and father. So we're going to tell the culture they need to choose. You can either believe, children need to serve and have a right to their own mother and father, or you can support gay marriage.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Katie Faust: I think most of our countrymen are going to fall down on the side of the kids.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah, I agree. I agree. I do think we have enough people in this country still that, that would agree with, with how we're, we're explaining this and the, the effects of it, because it's right before our very eyes. Katy, it's so hard for me, and maybe I shouldn't be so naive. I'm usually not. But it's so hard to me, for me to grasp that the highest court in the country, the Supreme Court, took this question in, which people thought was a very simple question, and they ruled in such a reckless manner. I mean, these folks are supposed to consider all things, but now we have this hodgepodge of laws, and half of it's not even laws. It's just made up stuff as a result of the Supreme Court ruling. A lot of the state statutes haven't even changed. Like Mississippi on the books. In Mississippi and various other states, same sex quote unquote, marriage is not legal. It's not a legal, state recognized relationship. but then all the county clerks and everybody just disregarded the state law and just said, well, you know, the Supreme Court said. And so we really in many cases don't have clarity and in full enforcement of our state laws. but when I learned through working with you and others on this that birth certificates had been, had been altered to fit the needs of two adults of the same sex, that was the most concerning thing of it all to me is that in some instances you have two guys or two gals being put on a birth certificate when we obviously know one of them isn't the biological parent. In some instances, both aren't. Now you have children that in some cases can't even find out without running like genetic tests who their parents are. That's very concerning because if, someone turns 18 or 17 and they were raised by two women or two guys and they tell themselves, hey, I want to find out who my real parents are, in some instances we've made that nearly impossible and we've told them.
>> Katie Faust: They'Re bigots for even wondering. Yeah, I think that's the biggest problem is we are pulling one of the most destructive state sanctioned gaslighting experiments on children with two parents, two mothers or two fathers. We've told them, because I'll tell you, I've had a lot of contact with kids who are raised exclusively by two men or two women. I used to run like a secret chat group for kids with same sex parents. At that point. They were all lesbian related and all of them at some point had really wondered and sometimes persisted in who's my father? Does he love me? Does he know that I exist? They'd all experienced this hunger for male love gravitating towards their male coaches or their uncles or something because they were being starved of this fundamental, socio emotional component of their diet. and what we're communicating to those kids is you're strange. If you want a father, you should just be happy that you have two mothers. You're so fortunate to be loved and wanted. Your parents had to go through even more work to have you than, you know, the kid that's raised by heterosexual. They got pregnant in the backseat of a car. And I mean, like, you're actually really fortunate that you have two moms or two dads. And like, when everything culture is saying that, when law is saying that, when media is saying that Kids start to feel a little bit guilty and ashamed of wanting what every child throughout human history has wanted, which is to be known and loved by both people responsible for their existence.
Greater Than Campaign focuses on justice for children, not gay marriage
So I think that's one of the biggest crimes that gay marriage has inflicted on the young population is instead of saying this relationship is out of step with nature, they say your fundamental desires are out of step with equality and civil rights.
>> Walker Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Katie Faust: So our whole campaign, the Greater Than campaign, you can go to GreaterThancampaign.com, get on our newsletter, take our gay marriage quiz to see how much you really know about gay marriage. The whole campaign focuses on one thing, and it is justice for children. Yeah, AFA has been a huge part of this. They are one of the first people that I went to when we talked about launching this. Walker was in right from the ground level on this. and all of us are going to speak with one voice. You know, Micah Knowles at, ah, the Daily Wire, and Allie Stuckey and Lila Rose and Albert Moeller and John Stonestreet and Jim Daly and Tony Perkins and, the Babylon Bee guys. I mean, we're all going to speak with one voice. And it is don't touch the kids. Marriage is not about adult validation. It's about child protection. And we are going to take it back on their behalf.
>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely. Amen. And, greaterthancampaign.com that's the URL greaterthancampaign.com or you can go to them before us and find it in the menu bar up at the top. Katy, somebody needed to do this, and you guys were suited well for this with, your organization and, to lead this charge. And to your point, when we focus on what children need and how without children, we don't have a society in 50 years. this boils down to a very simple issue, and that is we need to protect the sanctity of marriage for multiple reasons. but one of the main reasons is that children deserve to have a mom and a dad. And we cannot pollute that, we cannot obstruct that, and we cannot deprive them of that, because the downstream effects are just devastating. And we're living through some of those devastating effects as we speak. And so we're going to try to make this right, in multiple ways. And one of the ways is to reverse that Supreme Court precedent. Katy, thanks so much for coming on the program. We appreciate your leadership.
>> Katie Faust: Well, thank you for being, unfortunately, failing supporters of the natural family and therefore champions for children. Those two things will always go hand in hand. It's just a question of whether or not we are going to have the courage to say it out loud, even in the face of a culture that is confused.
>> Steve Tybor: Amen.
>> Walker Wildmon: thanks so much, Katy. Appreciate you coming on.
>> Katie Faust: Thanks, Walker.
>> Walker Wildmon: Absolutely. GreaterThancampaign.com that's the URL just launching out today. Brand new Breaking Greater Than campaign. And this is just the first day of many months and years of work, that we're going to do to overturn Obergfell and begin to right the wrongs, of this ruling and ensure that children, have their mom and dad, that children understand that they have a right to their mother and their father. And that this charade that has been called same sex marriage, was way more than just about live and let live or what two consenting adults do. The downstream ramifications of this have been like a nuclear bomb dropped in the culture of America. And now you have kids who don't know who their mom and dad are, and they're being deprived of that. And that's wrong. Marriage is, is, is God's sacred union. And you cannot tinker with marriage. It's all or nothing. Either we do what God says and we have structure and we have order according to God's design, or, we drop a nuclear bomb in God's primary institution or one of three institutions, the family, and then all of society crumbles and chaos ensues, which is what we're experiencing now. So we have to right this wrong. Children deserve a mom and a dad. That's the end of the story. GreaterThancampaign. Com. We'll be back next time. The views and opinions expressed in this.
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