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Alex McFarland hosts the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio

>> Joseph Parker: Darkness is not an affirmative force. It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.

>> Jason Sullivan: This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.

>> Joseph Parker: It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite, delivering people.

>> Jason Sullivan: Out of the bondage of mainstream media.

>> Alex McFarland: And the philosophies of this world. God has called you and me to.

>> Joseph Parker: Be his ambassadors even in this dark moment.

>> Alex McFarland: Let's not miss our moment.

>> Jason Sullivan: And now, the Hamilton Corner.

>> Alex McFarland: Welcome to the program. Alex McFarland here.

Alex Hamilton welcomes Abe Hamilton to the Hamilton Corner

Very honored to be sitting in on the Hamilton Corner for attorney, pastor, broadcaster Abe Hamilton iii. And if you recognize my voice, it might be from a show called Exploring the Word, which is heard daily on the American Family Radio Network, now in its 15th year. To God be the glory. But I'm very honored to be with you tonight. We have a great show. There's a lot going on in the news, not the least of which is, news. allegedly the Obama administration and the Obama DOJ was harnessed to craft and promote the hoax of the Russian collusion that Donald Trump was using, Russian operatives to try and prevail in the 2016 election. We'll talk about that. And the what are the likelihoods of prosecution of past well known leaders, even a past president perhaps facing charges over the Russian hoax and other things. But we're going to have a couple of guests, both of whom are attorneys. The first is a longtime friend and colleague, Richard Harris. you've heard him on Truth and Liberty, which is just a growing show that God has used in so many ways. He and I have taught together at Charis, Bible College and shared the stage at a couple of places around the nation like the Pray Vote Stand event with Tony Perkins in Washington. But he's a trusted voice on legal and political matters and a lot of other things as well. But attorney, Richard Harris. Welcome to the American Family Radio Network.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Hey Alex, it's great to be with you. Thanks for having me on.

>> Alex McFarland: Well, it's good to be with you. You know, I know our time is limited and I want to dive into some headlines and issues.

Richard Wommack talks about Truth and Liberty and Charlie Kirk

But what's before we do, just tell us about your ministries and Truth and Liberty and bring people up to speed on all that God is doing through your work.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Wow. Well, absolutely, man, it's just we've got, our plate is full here at Andrew Wommack Ministries. You know, it's amazing all the great things that God is doing. You know, truth and Liberty is the arm of Andrew Wommack Ministries. Alex, you know that is the cultural and political outreach arm. So our mission is to unify and get, activate and mobilize the church to stand for truth in the public square. So we do that with our own twice a week program which you you host sometimes as well as me and others. And we provide resources to the church via our website and through various forms of digital media and engagement and collaborate with other organizations. You know there's so many great organizations out there. The problem we've got on the right is that the left hand doesn't know what the right's doing. So many groups not working together and we aim to change that. and so a lot of great things happening. Our conference is coming up September 11th through the 13th in Woodland park and the annual Truth and Liberty Conference. And Charlie Kirk is going to be one of our speakers. So we're very excited about that. Everybody can register to attend the free event on our [email protected] and it's going to be a great time.

>> Alex McFarland: Amen. I've got Charlie Kirk coming to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina August 21st for a one night speech that he'll be bringing and he and I will be doing some Q and A with the audience. So Charlie Kirk is a powerhouse. You know, in the 2024 election they said that unprecedented numbers of young adults voted and voted Republican. And Richard, I think Charlie Kirk was a big reason that a lot young people have gotten on the the conservative political movement.

>> Jeff Chamblee: You know, I think that's absolutely right. There's no, no question in my mind m about that. He's drawing crowds on college campuses that are just kind of mind blowing. you know college students lined up as far as the eye can see just to get to hear him. Hm. Number one. But some of them to get a chance at the microphone. And you know he came out here last year in October and we had a thing called Freedom Night with Charlie Kirk. And it was some of the online views that we've ever seen. In fact it may have been the highest. one of the videos went, went viral. And so yeah, he's just I think he's called of God to do what he's doing and it's part of the great awakening that's happening as he's. God's using him to open the minds of young people to the woke mind virus if you will. To the truth, you know, and other things. So we're really thankful for him and his. His ministry.

>> Alex McFarland: You know, I've got to say this, and then we'll segue into some headlines, but, last summer I had the great privilege of being at the Republican, National Convention in Milwaukee. But what was going on? probably 250, 275 teenagers, that were mostly the children of delegates to the convention. Charlie Kirk and I spoke to them. And, I mean, I knew who he was. I'd watched tons of his videos that were largely political. But when we were, for a couple of days, I was teaching biblical worldview to these teenagers. And again, most of the kids, their parents were like delegates. But I heard Charlie Kirk in multiple, multiple sessions teaching the Bible. And I want to tell you, he is a deep, deep Christian thinker and a, very godly man. And just hearing what he was imparting to the teenagers, I mean, it was not at all political. It was discipleship. I have so much respect for him. And, So, folks, if you're. If you're not completely familiar with who Charlie Kirk is, if you're out west and you can go to Richard's event, give us the dates of your, I've been. It's. It's excellent, folks. The Truth and Liberty Conference. When is that again, Richard?

>> Jeff Chamblee: Yeah, thanks, Alex. It's September 11th through the 13th. We always have it as close as we can to the 911 remembrance, you know, to 9 11. So, September 11th through the 13th. We'll have a live, dramatic, performance on Saturday morning. We are going to actually have Pastor Lorenzo Sewell, who was the African American pastor that prayed at Donald Trump's inauguration. He's going to be with us. And then, also wanted to mention we're going to have the candidates for governor for the state of Colorado. We're going to have a candidate forum on Saturday afternoon. I'll be speaking. Andrew Wommack will be speaking to be a great time.

>> Alex McFarland: Sure, sure.

Richard Harris: Joe Biden used Department of Justice to pursue political opponents

Well, hey, I want to ask you something because, even as we're speaking, they're breaking headlines about, Russiagate evidence. Quote, directly points to Obama, the doj, that was, kind of, leveraged, in ways that have, quote, criminal implications. First of all, attorney Richard Harris talk about when we hear this phrase, the weaponization of the Department of Justice. Well, what does actually mean the weaponization of the doj? Richard, help us weigh in on this.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Well, let me begin by, by saying that, you know, under the under our Republican, small R form of government, the American system is built on a concept called the rule of law. Alex, you know this. And the rule of law is the idea that the law exists separately from the people who are making the laws and from the people who are enforcing the laws. And, and that, we have a loyalty, to the law, and a duty to enforce it and apply it impartially, that it applies without regard to a person's position, status, political party, wealth, name, religion, any of these kinds of things, because we are all equal under the law. And what happens, political corruption enters in and politicians are tempted to use the apparatus of government for political purposes. In other words, specifically when it comes to law enforcement, they apply the law, in ways that are biased in order to advance their position or their power. And in the case of Joe Biden, in my opinion, it's probably the worst politicization of law enforcement that this country has ever seen. As he used the apparatus of federal law enforcement, the Justice Department, the FBI, and even the intelligence agencies, he and Barack Obama both to pursue and punish, political opponents, primarily Donald Trump, but also his supporters. And that is a recipe for disaster. A republic cannot exist under those situations, those conditions. this is what banana republics are made of. It's, what tyrants do. And it is a direct threat to, democracy, and our republican way of government. So, really terrible what happened under the Biden administration.

>> Alex McFarland: Yeah. And, you know, and I don't want to deviate from that topic, but also just my heart has been heavy in recent weeks about hearing about the just open accessibility of the auto pin that, you know, you'll remember in the last months of Biden's administration, there are so many executive orders and pardons, I mean, talking about the rule of law, pardons for past crimes and any future, future possible crimes that may or may not be. I mean, is it even legally coherent to pardon somebody for whatever they might or might not do in the future? I mean, that's.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Well, only liberal woke progressives could even think of such a thing. Alex. it's never been done before, clearly. it's not, I think you could say it was not within the intention of the founding fathers when they gave the President the power to pardon, to pardon future offenses. That's called a carte blanche to commit a crime. That's not a pardon. Yeah, that's just insane. I mean, we don't, we don't prosecute people for crimes that haven't been committed yet. How can we pardon them for crimes which haven't been?

>> Alex McFarland: Thank you. Thank you. Brilliant.

>> Jeff Chamblee: It. It's just insane.

President Trump has assigned a team to investigate unauthorized use of the auto pen

the other thing is the unauthorized use of the auto. The auto pin.

>> Alex McFarland: So, yeah, I mean, do you think, will we ever know how many different people use the auto pen during Biden's, you know, time in office?

>> Jeff Chamblee: Well, we, we might get a pretty good sense of it, Alex. Donald, Trump has assigned a team to investigate that. and they are reviewing, according to the administration, they're reviewing just about every record, generated by the Biden administration using the auto pin. Heritage. The Heritage foundation has done a study and issued a memo on this. This is what got the ball rolling, where they're comparing different signatures. you can tell when Joe Biden actually signed it, what we call a wet signature, and where the auto pin was used. And there's two different auto pin machines, I suppose, and we can even tell the difference between the two. Biden was questioned about this recently, and he basically conceded that these pardons were issued without. He was not authorizing them on an individual basis. he claims that he gave, basic guidelines to his staff. Oh, people with this kind of offense. Yeah, let's pardon them. And then it was executed without him actually signing the pardons. and, so, you know, there are instances where the presidents have used the auto pen for lots of different things over many decades now. It's actually an old technology. but, you know, many times it's for ceremonial functions or a commendation or this sort of thing. When it comes to an actual executive order or a pardon or an official act of the President of the United States that has legal consequences, though I'm not sure how much precedent there is for the use of the auto pen and when it's used. If this were not the President of the United States, if it were just, say, a court of law or something like that, we lawyers, if I was going into court with a machine signed document, I would have to show some kind of paper trail demonstrating that the person purporting to sign it actually, in fact gave his consent and instructions to the person who pushed the button and made it sign. It's like if you've ever used an E signature thing, you know, DocuSign or one of these platforms online, you have to authorize it. You know, it's not valid if someone does it without your knowledge, or without your direct instructions. And that's what we're facing at the highest level of our government. It's Absolutely amazing what's happened.

>> Alex McFarland: Have you heard about the Biden Act? There's legislation coming down the pipe, it's called the Biden act, which would really reign in and put some heavy protocols and parameters around, the use of an auto pin.

>> Jeff Chamblee: I had not heard that. that's probably a good idea, though.

>> Alex McFarland: Yeah. What a legacy. I mean, a former president that. Something to, ostensibly curtail abuse and dishonesty. The Biden Act, I mean, that's, you know, things that are really m. Malfeasances are the legacy to which his name will be attached.

>> Jeff Chamblee: yeah, it's a shame, isn't it?

>> Alex McFarland: Yeah, it is. Richard Harris, attorney, the face in the voice of truth and liberty, longtime friend and colleague. can you stay with us for part of the next segment there, Richard?

>> Jeff Chamblee: Sure, absolutely.

>> Alex McFarland: Thank you.

God calls us to be a disciple and to make disciples

Alex McFarland here, the Hamilton corner on the American Family Radio Network. We're going to come back and talk about how likely might it be that Obama, would actually face charges for things done during his time in office. This is the American Family Radio Network. A brief break. Stay tuned. We'll be right back after this. A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.

>> Joseph Parker: In the Gospel of Matthew, chapter 28, starting in verse 18, it tells us these words. And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Amen.

>> Joseph Parker: that contains what we call the Great Commission. God calls us to be a disciple and to make disciples. And that's a command God lays before us each and every day. Every day is a day for us to follow Jesus Christ and to be involved in the work of helping and teaching and encouraging others to follow Jesus Christ as well. Ask someone how you can pray for them. Encourage someone to read three chapters in the Bible every day. Pray for God to help you to both be a faithful disciple and to make disciples as well.

>> Jason Sullivan: Shining light into the darkness. This is the Hamilton corner on American Family Radio.

>> Alex McFarland: Welcome back to the program. We're continuing our conversation with attorney, pastor, broadcaster Richard Harris. And, later on in the show, we're going to speak with attorney Jason Sullivan of the Gateway Pundit. So stay tuned.

Richard Harris: Many on the left are impervious to prosecution for alleged crimes

But right now, ah, Richard Harris. You, know, it seems I'm just going to say this and it won't be smoother elegant. But it seems like a lot of the people on the left are impervious to prosecution for crimes that they are alleged to have committed. And I think about the Clintons, I think about, you know, the Clintons. I mean, for all the decades that America has known about Bill and Hillary Clinton, there have been insinuation of crimes. And Hillary Clinton, when she was Secretary of State at one point, was said to have had a, ah, housekeeper go out and make copies of classified documents. I mean, you know, there's a hard drive that was taken out of, you know, White House premises. And, so it was the security of which was compromised. And then I think about Nancy Pelosi that she and her husband were accused of, you know, routinely doing insider trading that gave them many millions of dollars. And then she would legislate, you know, based on what was good for her own stock portfolio, just things like this. And so today, the idea that because of the Russiagate hoax, you know, former President Obama might face charges. I guess my question would be, what is the likelihood that actual crimes were committed and are actually chargeable and prosecutable? Because it seems like those on the left never, ever have a day of reckoning.

>> Jeff Chamblee: It does feel that way, doesn't it? You know, there, there are times when we see politicians prosecuted. You know, there was Senator Bob Menendez in, New Jersey, who's, been, convicted now. And, you might remember, the, Rob Blavojevich, or however you say his name.

>> Alex McFarland: I remember, yes. Yeah.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Governor of Illinois, I think it was.

>> Alex McFarland: And so Blago, they called him.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Yeah. And, and at, at times we do see this happen, but it's probably not often enough that we, that we see this now at the very highest level of government. The president. you, know, I think we have historically, as a nation been very hesitant to go there. And, and I think there, it's a pretty good reason. And the reason is that, you don't want an incoming president turning and prosecuting the outgoing president. Because again, back to this Banana Republic thing. The appearance of that you're doing it for political reasons, to eliminate a political opponent, to silence the opposition. This just feels like things that undemocratic, unfree nations. Do you remember when Trump was running in 2016 and he had the famous line during the debate with Hillary Clinton where he said, you know, you'll be in jail. and then, he, he won the election and nothing ever happened over those, the, the server where she had 30,000 emails. And I think a lot of conservatives really were disappointed in that. We thought that he might do something, but I said, and I don't know why he didn't, but I suspect it was in part because we don't want the appearance of the politicization of law enforcement, so we're going to let it sit, slide. It could also be that, when it comes to actions of a political officer, in the course and scope of their performance of their duties, they have levels of immunity, from personal liability for these things, even though it may be a breach of standards, is it a crime for them if they didn't profit personally from it? And so on. So we have to look at each case on its own. In the Barack Obama situation, this is absolutely, I think, a bombshell, what's happened with Tulsi Gabbard referring the matter over for criminal charges. And, I, I'm. I believe it should happen, but I'm, I'm gonna hedge my bet a little bit, Alex, because, you know, taking, on the former, very popular president of the United States in a criminal prosecution has a real chance of tearing the nation apart. we're already divided enough, and it would be just an incredible thing to happen if Barack Obama were put on trial. I have no doubt that he did it. I have no doubt that he. That he, acted improperly and illegally. I think it might be hard to make the charges stick. honestly, though, because he was so adept and skillful at hiding his actions and having underlings do it. but somebody needs to pay the price for that because it was, it was just the worst, possible thing that you could do. And, we need to draw a line in the sand and say we're not going to tolerate this as a country. So I do hope something happens from it. I just don't look forward to the process.

>> Alex McFarland: Yeah, and I'm with you that it would be incredibly divisive, wouldn't it?

>> Jeff Chamblee: Yes, it would. Yeah. I think especially for black Americans, many black Americans who really looked up to Obama as a hero and so forth, and that this would be a white president going after the black. Only black president in the United States, and it'll be politicized. And I have a hard time imagining Donald Trump winning that PR war. I honestly do.

>> Alex McFarland: You're right.

>> Jeff Chamblee: So.

>> Alex McFarland: You're right. I know, time fleets away, and, I want to thank you for being with us, briefly on a good note.

IRS to allow ministers, churches to endorse political candidates

last week it was announced in the news that the IRS has, ah, new protocols, that would enable ministers, churches and ministries to, yes, endorse political candidates. So I guess I have a twofold question. is this the good news that we think it is? Because it surely sounds good. and is this effectively, a rescinding of the 1954 Johnson Amendment?

>> Jeff Chamblee: That is a big question. it is a big development, a very important development. The IRS has basically announced an interpretation of the Johnson Amendment that has not ever been on the books before, where they said that we do not believe the Johnson Amendment prohibits, churches, that are 501 organizations, does not prohibit them from, from endorsing candidates or opposing candidates, for public office. So they're carving out an exception to the Johnson Amendment for churches. There is language in the announcement. it's a settlement, really. It's a motion for a consent decree in a court case. And there's language in there that limits it. It has to be through traditional means of communication and it has to be for good faith purposes, and directed to the flock, directed to the members of the church in a general sense, I think. so we don't know what all those limitations mean in a practical sense, that's going to have to be flushed out. But what we do know is that pastors no longer have to be afraid of the church losing its 501C3 status if they stand up and preach a strong sermon on politics and they can talk about anything they want. It's full game now for pastors to endorse, to oppose, to talk about any issue whatsoever, to talk about any legislation, to really get down in there and help the church understand biblical values as it applies to political issues and candidates. So as I like to say now, pastors, you have no more excuse. You got to go for it. You got to stand up and speak the truth with boldness.

>> Alex McFarland: Amen. Amen. Well, Richard Harris, we certainly appreciate you. You are the personification of that. And, give the website for Truth and Liberty, if you would.

>> Jeff Chamblee: Sure, brother.

>> Alex McFarland: It's truthandliberty.net truthandliberty.net well, listen, let's, converse again very soon. In the meantime, Godspeed, my friend.

>> Jeff Chamblee: All right, we'll do. See you soon, Alex.

>> Alex McFarland: ditto, ditto. Alex McFarland here and, we're going to segue and visit with attorney Jason Sullivan.

Jason Sullivan is the chief investigator for President Trump's legal team

I do want to remind everybody that we have Charlie Kirk coming August 21st to Myrtle beach, just one of the great resorts in America. So there's a lot to do here. but August 21st, it's a Thursday night, There will be open forum, Q and A. I'll be there. And Charlie Kirk is our guest. The website is alexmcfarland.com conversations. It's part of our speaker series, Conversations that Matter. So please, check it out and, come if you can. But, right now I want to bring to the microphone, Jason Sullivan. He's a contributor at large for the Gateway Pundit and he is the publisher and the founder of Unleashed News. And he is just a great voice and I want a lot of topics that I want to pick his brain about. But, Jason Sullivan, thank you for holding and welcome to the American Family Radio Network.

>> Jason Sullivan: Alex. What a pleasure to be on the American Family Network. you know, this is a great honor for me and I was glad that Jackie, was able to put us together.

>> Alex McFarland: indeed, indeed. hey, I, want to, there's so many headlines and issues that I want your opinion on, but, tell us about the work that you do and where we can find you online.

>> Jason Sullivan: That's wonderful. I appreciate that. And I do have to give you full disclosure. I believe that you announced me as an attorney. I am not an attorney. However, I did stay at Holiday Inn.

>> Alex McFarland: Okay, sorry, I must have gotten that wrong in the, the, in the emails. But, welcome.

>> Jason Sullivan: All good, all good. I, I do work for an attorney. I work for a Trump attorney. I work for, a Trump attorney that has known President Trump and they've been friends since, age 14 when they were roommates together in military high school. So Peter Tickton. I work at the Tickton Law Group as the chief investigator for Peter Tickton, who I would dare, to say is the chief civilian, watch your back guy for President Trump. And so I have the great privilege and the honor to investigate multiple different cases. I was initially brought on board by the Trump legal team via Peter Tickton to help investigate what truly happened on January 6th. And we had a lot of eurekas, throughout that process. Of course, later on I was engaged by Lara Logan. If you know Lara Logan, she's a, she's a world renowned, fearless, ah, reporter, and journalist that has been behind enemy lines literally with bullets whizzing past her, her head. I also helped her investigate January 6th as well. So that's kind of how I got involved with, with Peter Tickton and, and Lara in the beginning.

>> Alex McFarland: Sure.

>> Jason Sullivan: I go way back, you know, through open source intelligence back in, all the way back to 2014 when I started using that, our techniques to help in federal, level and elections. I cut my teeth providing information for a candidate who was running against Senator Al Franken. And we exposed and kind of opened up Pandora's box on him and he's no longer in office. So that's how, you know, we cut our teeth. I cut my teeth.

>> Alex McFarland: I, I really appreciate the work you're doing. Forgive me for interrupting there, Jason, but I, I so appreciate the work you're doing because, really, and this is an understatement, the last 25, 30 years in American politics, left versus right, it has taken this kind of, reconnaissance, intelligence, strategy because it's not just simply true versus false. I mean, the left has become so engaged in malice and subterfuge to bring down their ideological opponents. I mean, it sounds like the Cold War all over again within the usa, doesn't it, Alex?

Jason Sullivan: We are in a real live information war right now

>> Jason Sullivan: We are indeed in a real live information war. I mean, that's the war that we are in. you might want to call it World War 3. We are in a war, There is no question about that. And what really got me involved in, to the level and the depth where I currently am, is along the way, you know, building real, time social media intelligence tools that we were able to exploit, online networks, including Twitter, when it was Twitter, and being able to read real, you know, real time, actionable insights to determine who was, you know, on first, what was on second, good, bad or ugly, friend or foe, you know, which fights we need to be in now, which ones are the ones that actually matter. Who are the key influencers that are responsible for driving the narrative on either side? Who are the individuals that we want to recruit to help us amplify our messages on behalf of President Trump, who became President Trump in 2016. That's where I, I got involved behind the scenes in the 2016 campaign as well. I got to play a small role there. but we tipped the needle and, bottom line is, over the years you start to identify, as you're looking at, it's almost like the Matrix, right? You're looking at all these codes coming down and the streams coming down. And these are the people that are responsible for driving this. And, you know, you start to identify their networks and these are the people that they're coordinating with. And this is the verbiage that they're using, basically, ah, cut and paste, so you can tag all of them together, you know, who's working together. And you start to quickly identify information operations. And this is something I didn't even realize existed when I was green. Okay.

>> Alex McFarland: Yeah.

>> Jason Sullivan: And, so, you know, especially, you know, during the 2016 campaign, I started to identify information operations, and then that gave me the experience that I needed to be engaged by the ticked in law group, you know, President, Trump's legal team, via Peter Tickton, to identify information operations that took place on January 6th. And there were information operations that were taking place on January 6, people that were responsible for driving a narrative, intentionally, systematically, strategically, to pin a narrative, a false narrative on President Trump that he was colluding to overthrow his own government.

>> Alex McFarland: You know, let me, let me jump in here for a second and, and this is so important, folks, and we've got a brief break. but, folks, we're talking with Jason Sullivan. And Jason, January 6, the narrative crafted and hammered ad infinitum, is there. That's just some of the mantras of the left, like, health care is a right, you know, climate action is essential. And, one of the narratives has been our democracy is at risk, an existential threat to our democracy. First of all, we're not a democracy, people. We're a Judeo Christian representative republic. We're a Judeo Christian constitutional representative republic. But, Jason Sullivan, when we come back, let's talk about the January 6th narrative and some of the mantras that the left just repeats over and over before we take a brief break.

Give us your website or websites, which you would refer us to

give us your website or websites, to which you would refer us.

>> Jason Sullivan: I really appreciate that, Alex. You know, I am a contributor at large for the Gateway Pundit. It is arguably the nation's largest grassroots conservative, organization or publication. So, the gatewaypundit.com you can type my name in there under the search and you'll find a lot of my articles. And also, I'm the founder of Unleashed News, which is Unleashed, the word news instead of dot com.

>> Alex McFarland: Sure.

>> Jason Sullivan: And you can find our work there.

>> Alex McFarland: Oh, thanks very much. Hold that thought. Jason Sullivan and more on this edition of the hamilton corner.

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Jason Sullivan is a high level open source intelligence, forensic data specialist

>> Alex McFarland: Welcome back to the program. Alex McFarland here, you know, interviewing people, meeting researchers and subject matter experts. You know, every now and then you meet somebody and you, you are just so grateful and you just want to listen to them, because you learn. And Jason Sullivan is one such person. He's a high level open source intelligence, forensic data specialist. he's a guy who knows what's going on, really. And I want to say, Mr. Sullivan, thanks for being with us on the American Family Radio Network, but really, thank you for using your skills, to help preserve our constitutional republic. That's what you're doing. I look at you as a protector of America, the constitutional republic, and I thank you.

>> Jason Sullivan: God bless you, Alex. That's very kind of you to, to say that, you know, I, I'm just, you know, humble servant here trying to do a little job, you know, that, we all try to pay attention from time to time. You know, we have to, we have to pay attention to what the big man upstairs is asking us to do. And, I choose to walk through that door when he calls.

>> Alex McFarland: Amen. You know, before the break, I was talking about, okay, the left, and certainly the left has traditional media like CNN in their pocket. The, you know, the talking heads like, you know, Stephen Colbert have been just these, you know, evangelists for the woke left. And there have been these mantras like health care is a human right. AOC said access to WI fi is, quote, a human right. and then of course, January 6, January 6, Trump, you know, was accused of trying to, you know, have an insurrection against US Government.

Jason Kessler: History is written by those who win, okay?

Let's talk a little bit about this, these narratives and if you would comment on really, what should the history books say about January 6, 2021?

>> Jason Sullivan: Well, history, as you know, is written by those who win. And the opposition made one mistake, okay? They lost the election. Okay? So that means, and I, I have to give credit to Peter Tickton for that, quote, my friend, my mentor, my boss, President Trump's local, council in the state of Florida and his friend for many, many years. But that is the mistake that they made. And so that means that now the people that were harmed, the people that they stole the elections from, are now in charge of the Department of Justice. That means that those individuals, those people, President Trump's administration gets to look into everything, you know, and that means that we get to find everything and the truth does out. You know, that's a, it's a famous saying. The truth out, the truth will out. I think it was Rush Limbaugh that used to say that. M. And I've had the great privilege of becoming friends with, with his sidekick, Bo Snerdly. James, Golden.

>> Alex McFarland: Really?

>> Jason Sullivan: Oh my goodness, wonderful guy. Ah, ah.

>> Alex McFarland: How is Bose Nerdly doing?

>> Jason Sullivan: Bo is awesome as, as always and very cool.

>> Alex McFarland: Well, please, hey, I gotta say this folks. I'm going all like a fan here. I remember, I, well remember when Rush Limbaugh first came on, I don't know, maybe 89 or 90, and he wrote this book. Folks, you really, to get up to speed, go back and find Rush's book. the title of it was, the first one was the way Things ought to be. That was the title of Rush's first book. And listen, Jason, I don't mean to interrupt. I remember when that book released, the Way Things ought to Be, I, was in graduate school, there was a bookstore, Amazon.com was not around in 1990 and there was a line of probably 200 people waiting at like 10am when the bookstore was going to open to get a copy of Rush Limbaugh's book the way Things ought to Be. And if that book didn't infuriate, the left enough, then there was a sequel called see, I told you so. and I remember listening to Rush Limbaugh and he, he should not be forgotten. And his call screener and you know, also contributor, boast. Nerdily, I'm amazed that you, know him. And please convey our love and regards to this great patriot, Bose Nerdly.

>> Jason Sullivan: I, I will definitely do that. That's, it's, you know, God, God's good time and chance, you know. Yeah, just sometimes I just find myself meeting some of the most incredible people. Yeah.

>> Alex McFarland: Did you ever meet Rush?

>> Jason Sullivan: No, unfortunately I, I didn't have that opportunity. But, I used to listen to him on the radio when I was a kid. I, I used to detail cars for the radio stations and the TV stations when I was a kid. And I had the radio on while we were Working on the cars. So I'd always hear his, his, his shows. That's how I first was exposed to him. Very, very, very beginning of those, those days.

>> Alex McFarland: Exactly.

Jason Kessler: January 6th was a setup to steal the election

Well, tell us about J6. What should the history book say about January 6th?

>> Jason Sullivan: Good track. what it should say, what it. We're the winners. Okay. Will be the truth. And the truth is January 6th was a setup. And everybody in their heart of hearts, at least on our side and the conservative side of things, and people that have analytical way of thinking, the contemplate, the digest, the gnaw on facts, have known in our heart of hearts that there was something wrong here. That doesn't even begin to describe it. January 6th was intended to be the nail in the coffin for President Trump so that he could never, ever run for office ever again. That was the intent of January 6th because they'd already stolen the election. And we do know for fact that they stole the election. That's all coming out. Look what Tulsi Gabbard has just recently come out with. She's giving, you know, these are, these are things that we already knew. We've known this the entire time. However, it takes time to investigate things. It takes time to dig and to call and to read through information and to analyze information. And beyond just information, you were talking, you know, I mean, we ran facial recognition. You know, there's teams of people that ran facial recognition on every individual that was in Washington D.C. on January 6, in and around, you know, the Capitol. And all of the, you know, all the, the video hasn't yet still to this day been released regarding the closed circuit television, which is completely wired around the Capitol. For some reason they, they don't want to release all of that. We know why. But there's a little thing called mobile devices. Now everybody can become a citizen journalist. And there were mobile devices from thousands and thousands of vantage points, from every vantage point you can possibly imagine on January 6th. And when you start tying all those, images and videos and comments and actionable insights and information and you start connecting dots and then you start going further in and you start accessing body cam footage from Metropolitan D.C. metropolitan Police officers, body cams. And you start accessing police, footage from body cams from the Capitol police departments, and you start correlating all of these videos from all these different angles, including body cam footage, and you start to see an entire whole picture. There's no question that this setup, okay, and we, we exposed, through our investigations with the Tickton Law Group under the Direct direction of the President of the United States. Peter Tickton was tapped personally by President Trump to run and spearhead the parallel investigation into what really happened on January 6th. And I had the great privilege of being that chief investigator by Peter's side. So there is a tremendous amount of information that was uncovered that was. That will still be exposed, as we, hit the right timing along the way. Timing, everything, sometimes. And, and then also Larry Logan. I have to, you know, hats off to Larry Logan. I've never seen anybody with the drive and the commitment. Ah. And just pure, perseverance and absolute, you know, void of fear. You know, she did a tremendous job on her show, on her series, the Rest of the Story. And. And yours truly was also her chief investigator for about five of those episodes, all of them in which were. Revolved around the January 6th case. So you've got a lot of confidential human sources that were there, and we've exposed quite a few, quite a few of them, named them, outed their names. Okay. And we also have undercover police officers from the Metropolitan Police Department that were there running undercover operations. And we got their body cam footage, and we discovered what they were doing, and they were literally. We have incidences where these officers are literally pushing, physically pushing, ordering forcefully and nudging and encouraging people to go up and into the Capitol.

>> Alex McFarland: Oh, yeah, yeah. yeah, I have talked to people, Jason, in my travels as a speaker. listen, in at least three or four states, I have met people. And this is so wild in America. Check this out. All right? People telling me things. They. They happen to be in Washington. The morning of January 6th, they were out taking a walk, and uniformed officers were urging them to go into the Capitol. Hey, come on. Come on. And, several people, it's funny, nervously, their eyes darting right and left as if they're in Communist Russia, afraid they're going to be heard. And, two men. I was at a major event a year ago on the East Coast. Two men were telling me that they were in Washington, D.C. and they got up and they're walking around. They were forcibly pushed with a crowd against their will, pushed into the Capitol. And they just, in the nick of time, were able to extricate themselves. And my point being, to your point is it was all a setup. And so the left, their narrative, oh, this was a big insurrection. You know, this was a big, encouragement to riot and chaos. there were hundreds and hundreds of Americans that were just. They were set up. They were in the wrong place. At the wrong time. But it was a well crafted event to try and implicate the President of Insurrection, wasn't it?

>> Jason Sullivan: Absolutely was.

What is behind this entire story? What it, what caused these series of events

And, and I'm going to ask you, Alex, if you and your audience would actually like to know the true crux of the why all of this took place. What is behind this entire story? What it, what caused these series of events to take place. And this is the story that the general public does not know and does not fully understand. They all know in their heart of hearts that something was wrong. No question. They know there was crossfire, hurricane. That's all been exposed. They know, you know what Tulsi Gabbard is starting to expose. They suspected it, but she's actually laying out the, the receipts, you know, that actually in the breadcrumb trail lead right back to Obama's desk, which we knew. Okay, but this all goes back to. Are you ready?

>> Alex McFarland: Yeah. Yeah.

>> Jason Sullivan: This, this all goes back to a big chessboard. Okay. Imagine a global chessboard. I don't know if you're a chess player or not, but when you play chess, they say he or she who controls the center square controls the game. Okay, well, in globalism, endless wars are part of that chessboard. And the center square of this chessboard, currently that is, still has our whole world, in a, in a situation right now where there's a lot of imbalance and there's a lot of uncertainty, that center square is Ukraine. The proxy war in Ukraine. Okay, With Russia. So I'm going to take you audience all the way back to 2014 under the Obama administration, especially under the light that, that Tulsi, Gabbard is now exposing Obama being the one helping to orchestrate this fake Russia, Russia, Russia narrative. And I'll tell your audience that if you start to replace the words Russia, Russia, Russia with Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, a lot of answers will start to come, and, and prevail themselves, reveal themselves. Okay, go back to 2014 under the Obama administration, with a State Department under Victoria Nuland, and you will find that the Obama administration orchestrated a coup very similar, eerily similar to January 6th, but in Ukraine. There was a coup that was orchestrated in Ukraine in 2014 to unseat a duly elected president named Viktor Yanukovych. Viktor Yanukovych was Russian and therefore leaned to support Russia. So the US and the EU couldn't have that. But at the same time, this Victor Yanukovych, he was duly elected. And the United States and the EU also recognized that it was a fair, legitimate election. M so therefore they had to get rid of him because he wanted to remain neutral between Russia and the United States and the eu. He wanted a sovereign Ukraine. That's all he cared about. Now he wasn't.

Jason Sullivan: Give me the one minute synopsis of Zelensky

>> Alex McFarland: Give me. Because time fleets away. I've got to ask you. Give me the. The one minute synopsis of Zelensky.

>> Jason Sullivan: Well, Zielinski was manufactured by an oligarch named IHOR Kolomoisky. IHOR Kolomoiski is arguably one of the top three or four most dangerous oligarchs in, in all of Ukraine, currently, languishing in prison under Zelensky, because now Zelensky no longer owes him anything because he's in that prison. But bottom line is, IHOR Kolomoisky, in one minute was the. The owner of oil and gas, the kingpin in Ukraine, and also the owner multiple different industries. Banking. He had the largest bank in all.

>> Alex McFarland: Jason, I beg your forgiveness. we've got a visit again. Time is almost out. Can we read more at Unleashed News?

>> Jason Sullivan: You can definitely come to us at Unleashed News. We're going to be outing a lot of this information, but I'd love to come back and tell your the rest of the story to your audience about what truly we shall.

>> Alex McFarland: Thanks for listening, folks. Thanks, Jason Sullivan. God bless you all.

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