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>> Ed Vitagliano: offering a Christian response to the.
>> Tim Wildmon: Issues of the day.
>> Frank Turek: Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning everybody and welcome to today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Today's Tuesday, April 22, 2025, in case you were wondering. Thank you for listening to afr. This is live radio, for better, for worse, like your marriage vows. Ed Battagliano joins me in studio. Good morning, Ed.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Good morning. Where did that come from?
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's, that's a pretty good line though. I may have to steal that.
>> Tim Wildmon: But it was written long ago. I stole it from.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Stolen from somebody else.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. All right. The Wesley Wildmon. Good morning, Wesley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Good morning. All good quotes were taken from somebody somewhere at some point.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It's just a matter of whether you want to admit that you stole it or not.
>> Tim Wildmon: yes, that's right. Which is a sin.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Think stealing is a sin still in the top ten, right Ed?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Absolutely. The top ten. it's the Billboard top ten Billboard hits of sins. Of sins.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
Chris, you didn't know who the Carpenters were
All right. Chris, I love the Carpenter's Woodward.
>> Christopher Woodward: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Here.
>> Christopher Woodward: Huge fan with my 45s and 78s, whatever those are.
>> Tim Wildmon: We were, we were talking before the show, before the, before we went live, we were talking that, we, the Carpenters, the singing duo, the brother sister singing duo from the 60s 70s, more or less. They are been mentioned on our trivia show on Friday many times. And, and Chris was, you were unaware right when we first started.
>> Christopher Woodward: Yes. You asked me a question, about one of their songs and you, you, I mean you were like, I'll lunch or I'll give you 100, whatever it was. And I guess Waylon Jennings was the only thing that popped.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, Waylon Jennings, he would go back to the Carpenter's era, although he was in a different genre.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, and we do, and we did for a long time tease you about the fact that you didn't know who the Carpenters were? And you got. Didn't you get a card from a lady who. Who was criticizing you for liking the Carpenters? And you were only pretending to like them to keep us quiet, right?
>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah, you know, because I value my job and do whatever I need to do. So, yeah, rainy days and whatever days.
>> Tim Wildmon: But wrestling I'm gonna see. I'm gonna double your participation in my will.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: If you can name me one Carpenter song right now.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. I can see the album with the Birds.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, they had more than one album. The Birds. Birds were a different group.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. Eagles, they were. Carpenter. I don't know.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, well, you missed your opportunity. In fact, I'm gonna deduct you from the wheel for not knowing.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, try again tomorrow.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, try again after you Google.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Try your other.
>> Tim Wildmon: The whole Carpenter's album list.
>> Wesley Wildmon: All right, what was the big. What was it?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, Carpenters, they had one hit after another. Rainy, days and Mondays, they had the marriage. So what was the wedding song that everybody used? We've Only Just Begun.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Was. Chris Can Sing.
>> Christopher Woodward: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: I've heard him.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I mean, you mentioned Karen Carpenter's voice again, folks. This was dirt before we went live.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And she did. Just. Just talent.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. What a voice.
>> Christopher Woodward: I think you guys need to love Me for what I Am.
>> Tim Wildmon: Was that a Carpenter's song? According to Google, that didn't make the top 20.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Love me for what I Am.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I can't help myself. But I. I have it. Y'all helped me a little bit by going off on something I didn't know anything about.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So it gave me time to think.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, we get up every morning. We hope to learn something new.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right, Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is that gave me time to think?
>> Wesley Wildmon: You did, that's right.
Wesley: Can you steal from the Bible? Can you
And I've got an apologetic question for Ed.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, Ed.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Is it. Can you steal from the Bible?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Can you steal from the Bible?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, you should.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You shouldn't be actually stealing from anybody. M. If you quote. If you. If you quote something from somebody, it needs to be cited where you got it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: What we're talking about is that there's nothing new under the sun. And, so much wisdom has kind of borrowed. Yes. Which I just borrowed.
>> Frank Turek: Borrowed without crediting.
>> Christopher Woodward: That's right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: From Ecclesiastes. That's what the Bible says. And the fact of the matter is that. That there's so much that we have absorbed growing up that came from somebody, but we're not doing. We're not doing research for a. For a college Paper where you'd need to cite it, but I have another. So you can't steal from the Bible. You should.
>> Christopher Woodward: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: cite the Bible if our.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Borrow from or.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, you can.
>> Tim Wildmon: I got another. I got hung up another apologetics question for you. That's.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, good.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Where did God come from?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, you know what we got Dr. Frank Turek.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what every four year old wants to know. Right?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. I had to add, my. I have one answer to that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And I've given it to all my children and this is it. And I move on.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: now I'll listen.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But it's the same answer, no matter how many times are different ways you ask it. And it's. God is the Alpha and the Omega. He's the beginning in the end. That's from Revelation, chapter one, verse eight.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You just know beginning and he has no end.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen. That wasn't a trick question, that. But that is the, Maybe five years old, six years old. You think of that.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Where did he come from?
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm 6 years old, fixing to go to first grade. I'm gonna stump my dad.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Where did God come from?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Answer that one for me, dad. And that's a great answer, Wesley. And of course I don't mean to make light of.
>> Wesley Wildmon: No.
>> Tim Wildmon: God's eternal existence does. Scripture does teach he is the Alpha and the Omega. There's no beginning to God, there's no end to God. Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But the reason. The reason it is a stump question at times because even that sometimes is not satisfying, depending on the time and season.
>> Tim Wildmon: Because I told you so. That's when you end that conversation.
>> Ed Vitagliano: There is. There is a time and a place for everything under the sun. Under. Yes, there's a time and a place for, saying I told you so and that's it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And there's time to live and a.
>> Tim Wildmon: Time to die because I said I.
>> Christopher Woodward: Was in the papas.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You want to Book of Ecclesiastes.
>> Christopher Woodward: Okay. Yeah. Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think it's actually the birds.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, the birds. I feel an apologetic, section to today's issues coming on.
Folks are fretting about The Dow Jones right now
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, you know, before we do that, let me. Folks are fretting right now. They're going, when are you going to get to the news of the day?
>> Ed Vitagliano: They're more than fretting.
>> Christopher Woodward: I'll bring you down shortly.
>> Tim Wildmon: They're wanting to know what is the status of The Dow Jones. Mr. Dow Jones today. How's he. How's Mr. Dow Jones feeling today? And we're going to get to that in a few minutes.
American Family Radio welcomes Dr. Frank Turek on today's show
But first. I said but first, we have with us, Mr. Apologetics himself from the great state of North Carolina, Dr. Frank Turek is with us, host, of I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. Heard Saturday mornings at 9am Central Time right here on American Family Radio, and.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Sundays at 4:00pm Central Time right here on AFR.
>> Tim Wildmon: Good morning, Frank.
>> Frank Turek: Good morning, gentlemen. He has risen.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Amen. He's risen, indeed.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen.
The Eastern and Western churches celebrated Easter on the same day this year
we just celebrated Easter. And you know, Frank, this was, as Ed pointed out yesterday, I think, this was a, I guess the first time in a while that the Eastern, church and the Western church of Christians has celebrated Easter on the same day.
>> Frank Turek: Is that true? I didn't know that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That is true. I mean, that's what I read. Right?
>> Frank Turek: It's on the Internet, Ed. It's got to be true.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's. That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know what that means.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's a biggie, though. If they, if they missed. Got that. Or they got that one wrong, I think.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, it, it has to do with, how. How the church historically has decided on what day, because it's not the same day. It's not like Christmas.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Celebr. We celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ on December 25th. It. Whether that was the actual day or not, we don't know. But Easter, and determining, what day upon which day Easter will fall, is a process of calculation. And the east and the west have a different formula for that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But this year, from what I read on that, their Internet, that it fell, both churches, their calculations, it fell on the same day.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right?
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. good morning, Frank. How you doing, brother?
>> Frank Turek: I'm just swell. Hey, can I give a two minute sermon?
>> Tim Wildmon: Go.
>> Frank Turek: This was actually a sermon done by James Allen Francis about a hundred years ago called One Solitary Life. And I think it nails it. Here it is. Here's the whole sermon. You ready? He was born in an obscure village, the child of a peasant. He grew up in another village where he worked in a carpenter shop until he was 30. Then for three years, he was an itinerant preacher. He never wrote a book. He never held an office. He never had a family or owned a home. He didn't go to college. He never lived in a big city. He never traveled 200 miles from the place where he was born. He did none of the things that usually accompany greatness. He had no credentials but himself. He was only 33 when the tide of public opinion turned against him. His friends ran away. One of them denied him. He was turned over to his enemies and went through the mockery of a trial. He was nailed to a cross between two thieves. While he was dying, his executioners gambled for his garments, the only property he had on earth. When he was dead, he was laid in a borrowed grave through the pity of a friend. 20 centuries have come and gone, and today he is the central figure of the human race. I am well within the mark when I say that all the armies that ever marched, all the navies that ever sailed, all the parliaments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned put together, have not affected the life of man on this earth as much as that one solitary life, unquote.
>> Tim Wildmon: Who's the author?
>> Frank Turek: That is James Allen Francis. And here's my question. If there was no resurrection, how could this life be the most influential life of all time? I don't have enough faith to believe that this one solitary life from a remote village could be the most influential life of all time. Unless the resurrection is true.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I don't know. That's, that's good preaching. my only criticism is you're going to put a lot of preachers out of work with a two minute sermon.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's what you got from that ad.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You know how many people are saying, well, if you can preach a good sermon like that in two minutes, right, how come my preacher takes 45? No, that, no, that is absolutely true. Frank, is that, one of the testimonies, that you use when you're discussing, the resurrection on, say, college campuses?
>> Frank Turek: It's actually in the book. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. And as I say, it's 100 years old, Ed. And I think it was Winston Churchill who said, if you give me an hour to speak, I need five minutes to get ready. But if you give me five minutes, I need a week.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, yeah, because you've got to be concise.
>> Frank Turek: Yeah. Now this guy, James Allen Francis, was very concise in the 2 minutes or 3 minutes it took me to read that.
>> Tim Wildmon: that was Winston Churchill.
>> Frank Turek: I think Churchill said something like, that wasn't his sermon. That was James Allen Francis.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think that was Yogi Berra. But you want us to think it's, Winston Churchill.
>> Frank Turek: Well, you know, Yogi Berra said, nobody goes down there anymore. It's too crowded.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Talking about a restaurant. I remember hearing that one before. He also said, when you come to the fork, in the road. Take it.
>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah, one.
Frank Turk: What is your sense of what is happening on College campuses
One other one he said was, go to your friends funerals or they won't come to yours.
>> Frank Turek: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Frank, you've been on college campuses, recently, right?
>> Frank Turek: Well, yeah. Hey, let me mention, I'm going to be tomorrow night at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Frank Turek: University of Tennessee, Knoxville. It's going to be 8:00pm all the details are on our website, the cross examine website, but I can get them for you if you want them. It's in Alumni Memorial Building, 27, University of Tennessee, 8:00pm Eastern Time. It'll also be live streamed on our YouTube channel and our X feed. cross examine. Two words. Two words. In, at YouTube.
>> Tim Wildmon: Now, when you go to these college campuses, what do you, what takes place exactly?
>> Frank Turek: Well, I do a presentation where I go through the essentials of the book. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. I cover four questions. Does truth exist? Does God exist? Are miracles possible? And is the New Testament telling us the truth about the resurrection? Because if Jesus rose from the dead, game over. Christianity is true. And then we open it up to open mic. Any question anybody wants to ask. So, last week I was at Wright State University. The presentation was an hour and a half, and the questions were an hour and a half. So.
>> Christopher Woodward: Wow.
>> Frank Turek: three hours.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So what, so what is your sense? You've been doing how long you've been doing this? First, first question.
>> Frank Turek: 20 years.
>> Ed Vitagliano: All right, 20 years. So what is your sense of what is happening on College campuses? 20 years. That's a pretty good, cross section of time. You should have some sense of where things are trending. is there more interest among young people? Less interest?
>> Frank Turek: I think there's more, Ed. There's certainly more. You know, there's been some reports of revivals. I mean, I've been to Ohio State every year. this year they had a big revival there. It wasn't because of me. I'm just saying, they had the football team baptized, a whole bunch of people. Half the football team is, a Christian, if not more. they've had these events all around that people are turning out. My friend Charlie Kirk, it's going to be a Texas A and M today. There'll be several thousand people showing up.
>> Ed Vitagliano: so you attribute that to the fact that a lot of these young people have grown up without much, in the way of, religious teaching, and, curiosity is getting the better of them, or they feel an emptiness that they can't. What do you attribute this increase in.
>> Frank Turek: Interest, it's probably all the above. But, one of the things that's happening, particularly around young men, is that young men are starting. They're the most conservative, at least politically group in 50 years. And I think they're tired of the feminization, the sissification, if you will, of the country. And they're looking for direction. That's why Jordan Peterson has made such an impact, because he's saying, hey, be a man. You know, go out there and actually do something that. That matters. Don't let the world tell you you have to. You have to suppress your instinct to go out there and conquer for good.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Frank Turek: and I think men are looking for direction in particular, and many of them are finding it in Christianity. and it also happens to be true. I would also say that I think encroaching evil wakes people up. It's certainly waking people up over in the uk. They know that a tepid secularism cannot resist a rabid Islam.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Frank Turek: Even Richard Dawkins is saying, I'm a cultural Christian now. You know, the famous atheist who's been fighting Christianity his whole life is now now realizing that there are benefits of a Christian society. and, because there's a void, there's no void. Some ideology is going to fill in what is left. And the ideology of secularism and atheism, first of all, isn't true. Second of all, doesn't work for people. What are you, just a bag of chemicals? It's going to die, right? And nothing's going to happen. And there's no meaning or purpose to life that doesn't. That doesn't inspire anyone.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Hey, Dr. Frank, this is Wesley here. before I ask my question, I was going to tell the audience, you can go to cross examine.org and click on events and you can see where Dr. Frank Turk will be, in the coming weeks. Also, we mentioned earlier he'll be University of Tennessee, Knoxville, tomorrow afternoon. Well, tomorrow night.
Christianity originated with an event, the resurrection, says Frank Turek
but my question. Did we just celebrate it as Christians? Easter and the Resurrection Weekend and the Holy Week. What is, one or two, depending on how much time you want to go here, of evidence or examples that we have that Jesus did raise from the dead? Because that's a pretty big claim.
>> Frank Turek: Well, this is going to sound odd for people because all of us here believe the Bible is the inherent word of God. So it's going to sound odd for just a minute. But stick with me. Christianity is not true because a series of documents we put under one binding that we call the Bible says it's true. In fact, Christianity would be true if the Bible never existed. And people go, what do you mean? How can that be? and I always ask, do you realize there were thousands of Christians before line of the New Testament was ever written? Why? Because they didn't read about it in a book. They witnessed a resurrected Jesus themselves. In other words, Christianity did not originate with a book. Christianity originated with an event, the resurrection. There would be no series of documents we call the New Testament written by Jews in the first century claiming a man claimed to be God and rose from the dead. Because that's something Jews didn't believe in. They didn't think one guy could claim to be God. They didn't think one guy would rise from the dead. They knew we'd all rise from the dead at the end of time, but they didn't think one guy would rise from the dead and claim to be God. And yet here they are claiming a man claimed to be God and rose from the dead. And then they go and they abandon their sacred beliefs that they've had for 2,000 years as a people. They adopt new beliefs and they're kicked out of the synagogue. They're beaten, tortured and killed. They did not invent this. In other words, the New Testament writers did not create the resurrection. The resurrection created the New Testament writers. We wouldn't have these documents written by Jews in the first century unless that happened. Another way of saying it is that the Bible is not the cause of Christianity. The Bible is the result of Christianity.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Amen.
>> Frank Turek: And people don't seem to realize that. They think, oh, well, it's true because the document says it's true. Well, it is true. And the document does say it's true, but it's not true just because the document says it's true. It's true because it happened. And the documents record what happened.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I've always found that, Be that being one of the strongest cases, the case, is that the Bible says itself there was over 5,000. Is it 500? 500 eyewitnesses, yeah. of his resurrection, minimum. Of course, you've got disciples. It gives a list there of others as well, but at least 500, eyewitness accounts.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Is that, is that statement that you just made, about the Bible being created by the resurrection, not the other way around? is that in your book? I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
>> Frank Turek: I don't say it just that way. I do say it in the book. Stealing from God. When we update, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, which we'll be doing soon. It will be in there. But I just want people to realize that there were Christians that predated the New Testament.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right, right. No, that's true.
>> Frank Turek: The Christians wrote the New Testament because. And they became Christians because Jesus rose from the dead, not because they wanted to invent a religion that got them beaten, tortured, and killed.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right.
>> Frank Turek: and so people always forget that, you know, I believe the Bible's inerrant because Jesus did. But, you know, there was no Bible to be inerrant, at least a New Testament. When Paul became a Christian. Right, right. He. He helped write the inerrant Bible, but he was a Christian before the Bible even existed. The New Testament, not the Old. But you get the.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You get the.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes, you're gonna get a lot more of Frank Turek, also at our Activate Summit coming, up this summer. Activate Summit 2025, June 12th through the 14th. Frank, will be there. He's got two speaking sessions. and we're looking forward to his, We're thankful and looking forward to his contribution, there. So you can go sign [email protected] that's activate.aca.net when is that? That's June 12th through the 14th.
>> Frank Turek: Where are we holding it In Tupelo Wesley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: We got the Cadence center, which used to be the, South Center. It's a local, conference.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's got indoor plumbing and.
>> Frank Turek: Get out of here.
>> Tim Wildmon: Mississippi's come up a lot since you've been here last.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Hey, listen. And. And Alex McFarland will be speaking. Todd Herman will be speaking. Abraham Hamilton III will also be speaking. So, this is going to be a good lineup, and folks, can still sign up.
>> Tim Wildmon: Absolutely. And we're about full, though, aren't we? That's right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yep. We get. Yeah.
American Family Radio is hosting a panel discussion tomorrow night in Knoxville
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, we got about 100 seats left. I think maybe.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, yeah, Frank will be here. Todd, Herman, Alex McFarland.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Some of the panelists will include Jenna Ellis, M.D. perkins. Sandy Rios.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And Tina Griffin.
>> Tim Wildmon: And so we want you to come in and enjoy the couple that you come by here and see us at the offices and studio studios here at American Family Radio, if you want to while you're in town. But, And we do have a children's track.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That complements exactly what will we.
>> Tim Wildmon: How young.
>> Wesley Wildmon: The ages are 6 to 12.
>> Tim Wildmon: So 6 and up. There's a kids track, 6 to 12.
>> Wesley Wildmon: There's a children's track and then 13. Ages. 13 and up. They'll be in there with the adults.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The adults.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. How do you.
>> Frank Turek: How big is the venue, Wesley?
>> Wesley Wildmon: We're gonna, we're gonna cut it off at 500 this year. And that's because of the amount of help that we can use.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: With their own staff.
>> Tim Wildmon: We have to have.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's our capacity.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. We have to have people to facilitate everything. And so.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So 500. Our cap. Now, that doesn't include children, though. That's adults. We've also got 150 cap on children.
>> Tim Wildmon: So what?
>> Wesley Wildmon: So 650 if you add up children.
>> Tim Wildmon: How do you. How do you sign up?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Go to activate, uh.afa.net activate.afa.net and it's.
>> Tim Wildmon: When and how much does it cost?
>> Wesley Wildmon: The cost is $75 for adults, and I believe it's 55. I'd have to find a. Yeah, it's.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That information's on. Right?
>> Frank Turek: It's 75 bucks. And. And friends, we put on a $79 event.
>> Tim Wildmon: So you're talking about. All right, well, listen, brother Frank, thanks so much for your, time and, and appreciate it, brother. And we look forward to seeing you in a couple months.
>> Frank Turek: Thanks, brother. And don't forget, folks, University of Tennessee, Knoxville, tomorrow night. Details@cross examine.org. see you there. And also check out our YouTube channel if. If you're. If you're not near Knoxville, we'll stream it live.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, thank you. Frank Turek, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to take our break, and be back.
So you got how many seats left, would you say? About just under 100
So you got how many seats left, would you say?
>> Wesley Wildmon: About just under 100.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just say 100, for that activate conference.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. Yep.
>> Tim Wildmon: And so it's coming up June. What'd you say?
>> Wesley Wildmon: June 12th, the 14th. And all the details as far as the. Well, there's more, even more details than we're going to cover here. But the. The schedules there, if you're interested. Interested to know when he's speaking. and 75 for the entire weekend.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. It's a bargain.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It is.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's a bargain. All right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It's a bargain. So we would say up in Boston, that's a bargain.
>> Tim Wildmon: We will return momentarily with more of today's issues, so get some of the news of the day. So we'll see you back here in a couple minutes.
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Supreme Court hearing arguments over parents' right to remove children from LGBTQ books
>> Frank Turek: To more of, Today's Issues.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back to today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr and I'm Tim with Ed Wesley and Chris and Chris, what's your first story? Well, right now, right now the US.
>> Christopher Woodward: Supreme Court is hearing arguments over the religious rights of parents in Maryland to remove their children from elementary school classes using storybooks that promote the LGBTQ lifestyle. This is a case known as Mahmoud v. Taylor. And the Beckett law firm is representing Christian, Muslim and Jewish parents who say that the Montgomery County Board of Education, unknowing, unbeknownst to them, removed their opt out and basically read these students, had students read from these books, that include things like transgenderism, homosexuality, LGBTQ things. And the parents claim that their religious rights were violated because the school took away their opt out option. these are issues they say should be best left to parents in the home based on the family's religious beliefs. And I've got some audio from Beckett attorney William Hahn here. Clip one at the core of this.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Case is the right of parents to direct their children's religious upbringing and especially ensuring that that right isn't surrendered simply because you send your children to public school like 80% of American families do with school aged children.
>> Christopher Woodward: Now it's interesting here because the justices have repeatedly endorsed claims of religious, religious discrimination in recent years. But you do have people like Justice Gorsuch who was appointed by Donald Trump that Ruled away. We didn't want him to in a case involving LGBTQ stuff. So definitely one to watch here. It's going to impact everybody beyond Maryland.
>> Tim Wildmon: So. Okay, so you have. What age are these kids?
>> Christopher Woodward: anywhere as young as five on up to like fifth, sixth grade.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. And they're arguing. They, the parents. Is it like a class action and a bunch of parents?
>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a whole bunch of different. Of different faiths. Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, I remember, I remember this story. So they're saying that, What's the argument? Legally?
>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah, they claim that the school system, their taxpayer funded school system, public school, violated their religious freedom rights under the First Amendment by.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's going to be a hard one to. That's going to be a hard one to argue. I'm just, because they're going to the. Now, the Supreme Court may rule in their favor, and I certainly, am in favor of what the parents are arguing. Don't get me wrong. But they're going to say the opposite argument to that is that we can't let religious people impose their beliefs on everybody else in the public schools.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, this is, this is going to be. I agree with what you said. This is going to be a difficult case for the Supreme Court. And you, ah, know, the, the problem is there's, a number of problems here. First, the Supreme Court has, over the last 10 years, more, really last 20 years, even going back to Lawrence v. Texas. But the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that homosexuality is not immoral, that homosexuals have civil rights, that transgenders, transgendered individuals have rights under the Constitution. Same sex marriage is legal in this country. So the Supreme Court has consistently ruled in a way that is hostile to the Christian faith. And this, this group of parents, you're talking about Orthodox Jews and practicing Muslims, and, and Orthodox Christians. By Orthodox, I mean Christians who believe the Bible. Okay. They're all in the same boat. All of us are in the same boat. Because this is an increasingly secular, society that thinks that is hostile to the.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Go ahead, go ahead.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That is hostile to the idea of God and his laws. And I, I would not be surprised that the Supreme Court says if you put your kids in public school, they're allowed to teach your kids whatever they want about lgbtq. Which leaves parents two choices. You either accept it and let your kids be taught it, or you move on if you can.
>> Tim Wildmon: I, have a third choice.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Then Wesley can speak. I think the more. And maybe they tried this, I think the, the first line of attack here would be the school board. I would say I would approach the school board and tell them, regardless of our religious beliefs, it's inappropriate to, discuss sexuality with children in school, public school. And most, Most people, whether they're religious or not, agree with that, identify with that. They would say there's an age appropriateness. Right. M. So certainly not a six years old.
>> Christopher Woodward: Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's, anyway, that's. That would be. And maybe they tried that. I don't know. But I'm just saying that would be my. That would be. Seemed to me might be the most effective way to bring about change. would be there rather than a Supreme Court. and I think they're going to lose here, but, maybe. Maybe they won't. Go ahead, Wesley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I, I don't think it'll be as difficult as y'all, as y'all think it will be, and here's why. Because they're not asking for debate for there to be Christian a, view on this. They're also not asking for them to remove it. They're asking for the opportunity to opt out for that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, you may be.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So. I, I don't think it'll be this difficult because all they're saying is, we want. Just like there. We. There's opt out paper that. Come on. Could you. Can. Can your. Can your children travel on a field trip? Yes or no?
Chris: I think the Supreme Court will say school has right to decide
>> Tim Wildmon: You make. You got a point there.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So I think at this. At this point, based on the information we got, if all they're going to court on is the. Is the freedom to say we choose no to LGBT teaching to our children.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But you can continue it all you want. Knock yourself out.
>> Christopher Woodward: Right. I do want to point everybody's attention, to our Today's Issues Facebook page, because earlier this morning, when this show started, I posted a link from afn.uh net, where we talk about this case and some of the books that are at issue. For example, in Prince and Knight, two men fall in love after they rescue the kingdom and each other. In Uncle Bobby's Wedding, a niece worries that her uncle will not have as much time for her after he gets married. His partner is a man. There's also a book called Love Violet, which deals with a girl's anxiety about giving a valentine to another girl. And one other is called Born Ready. It's the story of a transgender boy's decision to share his gender identity with his family and the world. Those are some examples.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So let me Let me just. And I, respect everybody here. I respect everybody views. So do you guys think the school should allow parents, who are pro, LGBTQ to opt their kids out? If you teach, if you have in a lesson that a boy falls in love with a girl. You see what I'm saying? I think, I think the Supreme Court is going to say the school has the right to decide. Because if you start to let parents opt out of everything, if you use a word problem in math that says, you know, Bob and Alice, have three kids, and then the transgender, pro. Transgender folks say, well, you're teaching heteronormative ideas, about relationships. I want to opt my kids out. When you do that, I think the Supreme Court is going to say, no, you can't do that. The schools have to decide what is best for the kids. Yeah, that, that's what I think. That's how. Please, folks that are listening, don't think I agree with that. I don't. I'm just saying that's how far our culture and I'm afraid the Supreme Court has gone in terms of being pro lgbt.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They've certainly made, they've certainly made the problem worse. Yes, because the other argument from our side would be the parents should have a right, even in that case, to be involved in what's being taught at the school. Which is why Dad's point from the very beginning about going to the school board directly. And then ultimately, if all of, in this case, if it ultimately goes against, all that we stand for as Christians and conservatism, then ultimately the choice does come back to, you have to make a personal, choice about how much you're going to tolerate at the schools.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's true. All right, next story. Chris.
Two proposals that would have restricted male athletes from participating in women's sports failed
>> Christopher Woodward: All right, two proposals that would have restricted male athletes from participating in girls and women's sports in the state of Washington failed yesterday in a vote. the amendments needed 60% of the.
>> Tim Wildmon: Vote to pass was a statewide referendum.
>> Christopher Woodward: it was something in the legislature. Oh, the proposal limiting girls sports participation to biological females got 58.5%. So it came just short of the 60 point or 60% threshold. There was another bill, that would have created an open division for students aside from boys and girls competitions. In other words, it would be a transgender bracket that garnered just 24.5%. I've got some audio here from someone named Jennifer, say she is the founder of XXXY Sports, who had this to say about Washington State. Clip 3 I think it still falls.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Far short of, where the American people are, which is 80% agree that women's sports should be for women only. But we're in this upside down world.
>> Tim Wildmon: A really loud and tyrannical minority of.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Trans ideology ideologues and activists are holding the rest of us hostage.
>> Tim Wildmon: And I don't know why we're so.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Afraid of them anymore. Just do the right thing.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. you got. Listen, the state of Washington, which is a beautiful state, naturally, the one time I visited, I mean, they're just gorgeous up there, the scenery. And there are. There are 11 Christians. I had to think about that for just a minute. In the state of Washington?
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I think there's nine. I think that that one couple moved to Idaho.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, nine. We're down nine. the state of Washington is filled with left wing wackadoodles. And so that doesn't surprise me. quite frankly, surprises me. They got 58%. So, 58, 58%. They needed 60. True, correct. 58% of the. Of the legislature, m. Voted to protect, women's sports. but. But, it wasn't enough to pass. So I don't know. Where does this go from here?
>> Christopher Woodward: they'll probably just move on. You know, Donald Trump may be in the White House, and President Trump, our president, he did executive orders, that came kind of restored or brought back the importance of.
>> Tim Wildmon: They said you're not getting money from the federal government if you don't comply.
>> Christopher Woodward: Right. And we're pretty much going to be talking about transports.
>> Tim Wildmon: So is he going to do that with the state of Washington? I don't know. We'll wait and see. yeah, but my guess would be, yes, he would.
>> Christopher Woodward: The impending legal cases, involving Maine's refusal to comply will probably determine whether or not they go forward with other states. I saw something yesterday that said Illinois was moving in Maine's direction.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen. Yeah, what? M. Illinois.
>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah. They were going to do what Maine is doing here and thumb their nose.
>> Tim Wildmon: You got Illinois is comprised of Chicago and then normal people.
>> Christopher Woodward: There's two Illinois, if you will. Chicago and the rest of the state.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what I just said. Yeah. But thank you for agreeing with me. I concur, yes. So, yeah, but, you know, these blue, Blue states, they, they, you know, nothing surprises me anymore.
>> Ed Vitagliano: They're all in.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: If you're going to live in a blue state, you've got to recognize the fact that your state government is all in. When it comes to all these leftist causes, not just lgbtq, we're talking about. I mean we've got a story today, about you can, you can burn down a Tesla dealership. If you live in a blue state, you get away with it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay. the immigration thing, all of these left wing causes, blue states are all in and you're going to have to decide if you can live with that.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, that's why red states are growing or growing big, big population booms in Texas and Tennessee and Florida and Georgia and the Alabama and the other states are growing. Go ahead.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. What you're seeing over the last five years, maybe dating back a little further but you're seeing the red states getting redder in the blue states getting bluer. And that's just the hard line.
>> Tim Wildmon: People are moving.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Moving. Yep.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And guess.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And the one, the ones that would otherwise push back are no longer there.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And guess who triggered this. Donald Trump triggered this in 2015 and 2016 when he was elected. I, I don't, I, I'm not sure why it happened. We can pro, I can probably throw out some ideas but I don't remember the left in with their radical ideology that now we understood what was going on.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Most normal people, everyday people, they didn't know how radical the left was until Trump comes along and then everyone takes their masks off and especially the left and there's just no going backwards. And however this winds up for the country but also for the Democratic Party, it is, it is going to happen. because the left, listen, we all see, and I see videos all the time on X social media. These people are nut jobs.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They went, they went from lying to get elected to now being honest and, and then dare you to, to question them.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yep. it really is extraordinary.
Chris: How much greater Nashville area has grown
We're the same.
>> Tim Wildmon: How, how much greater Nashville area has grown.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I haven't been there and I mean.
>> Tim Wildmon: It'S like it's, they can't find room for anybody anymore.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Because I'm talking about the greater Nashville area. Not, not just, you know, the downtown area and saw these people moving in from California. and excuse me, all over the country.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: For the, to get away from blue states basically.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Because Nashville's a, it's a good sized city, lots to do there. Tennessee is a very pretty state and and no state income tax either. And it's normal.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think it's.
>> Christopher Woodward: No, yeah, they're, they're very tax friendly.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Compared to other states and it's a normal place to raise your family.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Not like Illinois not like Colorado, not like Maryland.
>> Tim Wildmon: Again, we understand that in many parts of Illinois, yes, it's sanity prevails. But, Chicago.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, but sanity has no political power.
>> Tim Wildmon: But the problem is, I wrote about this recently and it was very astute, what I wrote. I'm not going to brag on myself.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, because that would be. I wouldn't want to do that. Some becoming.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: But, what do you have here when you have a city like Chicago? they can. They. So, so many people live there and it's so blue, they can basically dominate the state legislature.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. So that the rest of Illinois.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Has to follow what, the dictates of extremely liberal Chicago legislators in. Is it Champaign? In Champagne. The,
>> Ed Vitagliano: Springfield. Yeah, Springfield. You talk about the Capitol.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, Springfield. Springfield. Champagne's where University of Illinois is. Okay. You were going to say, Chris.
>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah. I mean, it's similar in California. if you get outside.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh yeah.
>> Christopher Woodward: The big cities, you'll find traditional Democrats, like Democrats used to be, they're not all Nancy Pelosi, AOC Democrats.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Christopher Woodward: you know, they're, they're working people, they pay taxes, they're trying to find a safe place to raise their kids. But San Francisco and LA control everything. That's why they were. That's why there was an effort a few years ago to actually break it up into like three states.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So just, just to pile on here.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: When, I've been to Cairo, Illinois or Illinois, whichever one.
>> Tim Wildmon: Illinois.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You're 100% certain on that. Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, they just need to go ahead and take this off. I would have a state referendum on that because I think it confused. There's no S in Illinois.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, now, if you're from Mississippi, it doesn't have to be there. You're going to add it anyway.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know you're going to add anyway. Because we don't believe in wasting letters.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right. Can't waste. Go ahead.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I've been to Cairo, Illinois for an AFA event.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And while I was there, the first group of people got there a half hour early just to kind of, you know, get there early and meet AFA staff and so on. And the first thing they said when they walked through the door and they shook our hand, they didn't say, you know, my name is. They didn't say, I'm glad, I'm glad to see y'all here. The first thing they said was they held the handshake, looked me down and say, we are not part of Chicago.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right, right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: We have nothing, to do with Illinois.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're not from Chicago. From Chicago.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They made sure to now from that then was their name and everything else. They wanted to make sure.
>> Christopher Woodward: We have a lot of listeners up there. Salem, Illinois. A lot of people up there listen to us.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, what. Also the similar type thing is happening in Atlanta, unfortunately, and it's not exactly where Chicago and Illinois are, but greater Atlanta is growing so much, and you. But you have transplants coming in from around the world.
Georgia still read by 3 to 4%. That's right. If you did a statewide election
It's not exactly like Nashville. It's, transplants coming in from around the world, around the country who are more, quote, liberal and progressive. And they're. They're.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They're making, making up votes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Now. Now I got, you know what. Making up vote.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I got you.
>> Tim Wildmon: I got you out there. But now, now, Georgia still red. I know that they got two senators that are Democrat, but they were very narrowly, one. And it was. It was a weird circumstances, but, Georgia still read by 3 to 4%.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: If you did a statewide election. And that. That proved President Trump won there by that margin. And, anyway. All right. And the governorship has been Republican.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: so, you're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to the program.
Army suspends colonel because she insulted President Trump, Vice President Vance
Today's Issues. Next story. Chris?
>> Christopher Woodward: Yes. the army, directed by President Donald Trump and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth. They have suspended a commander at Fort McCoy in Wisconsin, because she insulted President Trump, Vice President Vance and Secretary Hegseth. the colonel in question is Sheila Baez Ramirez. And again, this is in Wisconsin. Ramirez did not put up photos of the commander in chief, vice president, and SecDef, which, is part of procedure.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That last word you said, SEC staff, Secretary of Defense.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I abbreviate. Uses some insider language.
>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah, that's what they do in the military, Chris.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Inside the Beltway.
>> Tim Wildmon: You can go in.
>> Christopher Woodward: All right.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know what in world you were saying. So anyway, say that on Christian radio or not.
>> Christopher Woodward: Yeah. Get the delay ready, ma'am.
Colonel Sheila Baez Ramirez did not put up photos of three officials
>> Ed Vitagliano: All right.
>> Christopher Woodward: Colonel Sheila Baez Ramirez. Long story short, she did not put up photos of the commander in chief, Vice President Vance and Secretary of Defense.
>> Tim Wildmon: What base?
>> Christopher Woodward: It's, Fort McCoy, which is in Wisconsin.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so, help me out here. The. If you a, commander of a base, then you are required to put the pictures, up in your office of whoever the president is.
>> Ed Vitagliano: President, vice president and Secretary of Defense, also known as Sec. Def.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so you. So, so you're required to do that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It's military protocol because the base is required to have the photos. So whoever's over.
>> Tim Wildmon: To remind people who. Where the ah, chain of command is.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's correct.
>> Tim Wildmon: And she refused to.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, we technically don't know why she didn't, but she's still responsible. The assumption is that she didn't support them and so she wasn't going to put their picture up.
>> Tim Wildmon: What pictures were up? We even.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I think they were empty frames.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They were empty. They were black. Just a black frame.
>> Christopher Woodward: A social media post a week ago showing black blank photo frames where Trump, Vance and Hegseth should be made waves on social media and led to a Defense Department investigation. Task and purpose reported. That's a military news outlet which got canned.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Suspended while the investigation pictures up.
>> Tim Wildmon: She went to. She's going down to get some pictures.
>> Ed Vitagliano: She's been suspended while they have the investigation. and I guess they're going to determine whether this was purposeful or neglect. She may claim. Oh, we forgot. But we're, we're months in three months and two days. Yeah. So what you're getting the assumption is that she didn't, didn't want to honor them.
>> Wesley Wildmon: There, there's a lot of insubordination being exposed. and so they're cleaning house and you know, I don't think they're necessarily going out of their way in some cases. But if you provoke them like this, I mean, I don't know what else are they supposed to do? If you are supposed to do what? If you don't do what you're supposed to do. I mean there has to be some consequence.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And it's the military. Yes, the military. You have to have. You follow orders.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: In the military. And you got to follow protocol. That's how the military runs.
>> Tim Wildmon: So we don't. Did she comment at all?
>> Christopher Woodward: I don't see a comment from her in this Daily Mail story which I did post.
>> Ed Vitagliano: She's probably not allowed to say anything.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. She's suspended and probably best that you.
>> Christopher Woodward: Remain silent in this.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know. She's gonna have to give an explanation one way or the other. Either it was either we were gonna get around to it or I don't like. I don't like you.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And so I'm not putting your picture.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And Trump's not my president, so I'm not putting his. It's my base. And then if that's her argument, she's fired.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. It's beyond sure.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It'll be permanent or court martial. I don't know what they'll do with her, but.
>> Wesley Wildmon: David, got time for one more?
>> Tim Wildmon: I think so.
>> Wesley Wildmon: All right, you go for it.
>> Christopher Woodward: Okay.
Chipotle is opening a location in Mexico and they're being ridiculed for this
All right. because it's lunchtime, I'm going to bring this up. Many people are starting to think about what they're going to eat for lunch. People are going in the route of burritos or taco bowls. Chipotle might come to mind. And I bring that up because Chipotle has announced it is, is venturing into new territory. the American idea of Hispanic food chain is opening a location in Mexico and they're being ridiculed for this because there's a ton of these things already available that are mom and pop places. And here you go trying to do your verse.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm putting you on the spot here. But please tell me we got some audio from this.
>> Christopher Woodward: We don't.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, there's no Chipotle.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm talking about man on the street audio.
>> Christopher Woodward: No, no bueno.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, Chipotle, which I like, I don't, go there a lot, but, we've got a new place here in our town.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: But, relatively new. But they, they must have done their homework here because businesses don't open places. What we're talking about is a Mexican restaurant, a Mexican themed restaurant chain here in the United States, which is purely American.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is going to set up, they're going to put a story in, in Mexico. So they're, they're going to, they're going to sell ice cream to Eskimos.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Am m I right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Listen, I, I, I'm, I'm Italian. Half Italian, half Greek.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm not gonna, if I ever took my wife to Italy, we're not going to look for an Olive Garden.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And if we ever go to Beijing, China.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm not going to look for a Panda Express. Some, some things are, are not a good business idea. And I can't imagine Chipotle doing well in Mexico unless there's an. Unless there are a lot of Americans nearby.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I'll tell you what this is. Trump slapped that tariff on Mexico and he said, you better put a Chipotle in down there. The deal's off. Do you know what I'm saying?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. He slapped, he slapped his Chipotle. Mexico.
>> Tim Wildmon: A Mexico. And they're complying.
>> Christopher Woodward: Quick food for thought.
>> Tim Wildmon: We'll be back momentarily. Stay with us.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.
