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>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to AFR on this Tuesday, December 2, 2025. And studio with me today is Wesley Wildmon. Good morning, Wesley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Good morning.
>> Tim Wildmon: And Chris Woodward. Good morning. And, joining us from sunny Florida, I guess it's sunny today.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Tim Ray Pritchard.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, it's. I hate to say this.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm sure you do.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah. It's only 77 degrees here in Hudson, Florida, this morning. Back in. Back in Kansas City, where we normally usually live, it's 19 degrees with about 6 inches of snow on the ground.
>> Tim Wildmon: M. Now, you and Marlene, decided to become snowbirds for the first time this year, right?
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So. So I remember how excited you were to share that news with us.
>> Tim Wildmon: And, I'm still excited.
>> Tim Wildmon: Excited. And, so what, you're gonna live six months in Florida, six months in Casey.
>> Tim Wildmon: right now, five months, five months down here in Florida. and then, in April, back to Kansas City, as. That's the plan right now, anyway.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I don't know. That's like being a, Somebody once told me that they were a Alabama football fan and a Kentucky basketball fan.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Don't work that way.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's not right.
>> Tim Wildmon: You can't do that.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So, that was during their prom. That's when it was tech.
>> Tim Wildmon: He was winning championships every year. So. So raise, raised Florida in the winter and Kansas City in the spring this summer.
>> Chris Woodward: I have a question.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Chris Woodward: so you're from Kansas City, a part of the country that's known for its barbecue.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.
>> Chris Woodward: Have you found anywhere in Florida, the great free state of Florida with some good barbecue?
>> Tim Wildmon: we did go to a barbecue place here, and it made me miss Kansas City. It wasn't awful, right?
>> Tim Wildmon: It was not.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's not awful, Chris. It's. It was good. But it didn't make me miss Joe's barbecue.
>> Tim Wildmon: Chris, the main thing is the type of animal that you barbecue.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's true.
>> Tim Wildmon: Here. And then Kansas City, it would be like cow, maybe, or.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, that's maybe.
>> Tim Wildmon: Maybe pork. But you go to central Florida, where. Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Iguanas.
>> Tim Wildmon: Iguanas.
>> Tim Wildmon: Alligators.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Chris Woodward: Alligator. Alligator is good. It's. That's a tasty.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I do enjoy alligator.
>> Tim Wildmon: What is it?
>> Chris Woodward: It's like. It's like the texture of steak, but it looks like chicken, but it's the texture of steak.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, it's the. I've never had it in any other way than alligator bites, which is like little bitty nuggets like. Like, Shrimp. Shrimp bites.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That size.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So I don't know if it's cooked any other way, if I'd like it the same way. But the, gator bite, really good.
>> Tim Wildmon: There are certain. Maybe it's just the way you grow up and what your mind is. They're just awesome. Well, now there's certain animals that.
>> Tim Wildmon: We got to draw a line somewhere.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just. My. My soul rejects.
>> Don Wildmon: Just.
>> Tim Wildmon: I just.
Ray: On spiritual grounds, I can't eat an alligator
On spiritual grounds, I can't eat an alligator.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't. I know it's probably. Maybe taste.
>> Chris Woodward: I know what you're saying, but when.
>> Tim Wildmon: It goes in my mouth and I'm thinking. Do you understand what you're putting in your mouth?
>> Chris Woodward: I say that about alligator in your mouth.
>> Tim Wildmon: Look, I see these. I see these TV shows of, you know, the rattlesnake poacher or rattlesnake catchers down in Texas.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And people eat rattlesnake.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, they do.
>> Tim Wildmon: Meat.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, that's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, that's beyond.
>> Tim Wildmon: That is beyond me. That's far beyond me.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't. The Bible doesn't spe. Does it, Ray?
>> Chris Woodward: It's in. It's in an obscure verse in Leviticus somewhere.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, Ray, we were talking yesterday during the program. We're in December now, and, I know that you have a, In the past, you've done a, You had a booklet.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right, Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: For Christmas, leading up to Christmas.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. An Advent devotional.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, Advent devotional. Are we in that season now?
>> Tim Wildmon: We are in that season. And, I did. The one last year was Advent from the Gospel of Luke, and the one this year is called Behold the Lamb. Advent from the Gospel of John, which is. It's so different. It's. John is deep. But, you know, if you're looking for the angels and the shepherds, you got to go to Luke. If you're looking for the wise men and Herod and the star from the east. You got to go to. From. I got to go to Matthew. But if you want to know Christmas before Bethlehem, what was it like going all the way back into eternity? what was God's plan from the beginning? Read the Gospel of John. It's profound. It's deep.
Tim Ferriss: Light shines in the world, and the darkness cannot overcome it
And, today, Tim, we did, John, 1 5. The light shines in the world, and the darkness cannot overcome it. I find it's one of the most encouraging verses in all the Bible because the light is shining. The darkness hates the light. It attacks it, but it cannot overcome it. just two quick things here. Number, one, well, Isaiah says, the people who walk in darkness have seen a great light. There's the problem. There's the solution. What's the problem of the world today? Not just darkness, but deep darkness, deep moral and spiritual intellectual darkness. We, the darkness is around us, and the darkness is getting darker all the time. And into that deep darkness, a, bright light from heaven started shining in Bethlehem. It is still shining today. So let me just give this word of encouragement to all of our AFR friends. sometimes you look around, it feels. Do you ever feel like the bad guys are winning? Sometimes I think even the stories we do here on T, I feel like the bad guys are winning. And I think God says, scoreboard, scoreboard. You don't look at the scoreboard in the middle of the third quarter. What you need to do is look at it at the end of the game. And God, in the book of Revelation, put the scoreboard up. Jesus wins. He wins big, and he's completely undefeated. Be encouraged, friends. Shine your light in the darkness around you. Because Jesus Christ has come. He is the light of the world. The darkness cannot overcome it. So, Tim, that's the best news I've got here on this Tuesday.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen. Well, and in the Bible, Jesus Christ is called. Goes by several different names, but one of them is the light of the world. Right?
>> Tim Wildmon: That's exactly right. In fact, John 8 says, Jesus said, I am the light of the world. But remember what he said. you remember what he said in Matthew 5? He said to us, you who have you, my disciples, my follower, you are the light of the world. So as we follow Jesus, his light comes into us. We walk into the darkness around us, and we shine the light of Jesus. And the darkness cannot overcome it. It's just tremendous good news. Which is why Christmas, is a time not just of carols and music. It's a time of bright lights because the light started shining in Bethlehem, it's still shining today.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Also, in the NewSong Testament, it says that the perfect love of Jesus cast out fear, and also living in light of eternity. So with the Christian, as we grow in our faith, we continue to grow with eternal mindset, meaning that we know, as Ray mentioned, we know the scoreboard, but also, too, it gives us, confidence and encouragement during the dark times to continue to press forward knowing that our eternal soul is rested in heaven. but again, just for a moment, there is a counter to that, too. If there is a destination for those that have put their faith in Christ and repented of their sins, there is also a, destination for those that haven't. And knowing both destinations and studying them both really makes one. It really polarizes the difference between the two. And so, you know, we, here on afr, we encourage those that there's people that have been listening, I'm sure, for years and really enjoy our content. And they're, you know, very conservative and very active, but maybe they have not, found the need yet to put their faith and their trust in Jesus. And, and as it says in the Gospels, there's no other route to heaven except for through Jesus. And so we encourage people to repent of their sins and trust, the Lord, Savior, Jesus Christ, and live in light of eternity.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen. Absolutely. You're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. and at the bottom of the hour, Jenna Ellis will be with us. We got a lot of topics to talk about with Jenna, so we look forward to that conversation. Chris, what's your first news story today?
Chicago faces its worst start to winter in nearly 150 years, according to blogger
>> Chris Woodward: Well, Ray and his wife may not be the only people that are thinking about moving to, warmer weather. I say that because in Chicago, which obviously is a place known for cold weather, they're in the news because Chicago faces its worst start to winter in nearly 150 years. According to a weather blogger by the name of Ryan Mao, Chicago is looking at temperatures potentially dropping to negative 14 degrees Fahrenheit in the coming days. This is all due what's being described as a, polar vortex. this blogger, Ryan Mao, posted on X, if you continue stretching the polar vortex, eventually it will let loose obscenely cold air by next weekend. In the following week, the bottom drops out completely. Completely. With coldest early December temperatures since 1876 in Chicago.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, it's not going to touch Florida, is it?
>> Tim Wildmon: Come to Florida, friends.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know, right? Where is Al Gore when you need him.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right, that's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: we need Al Gore. Right. We need more than ever, we need some global warming and he's just, you know, we seem to be going the opposite direction.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: This is the.
>> Wesley Wildmon: We need, we need more destruction.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I counted on, counted on global warming and here we are going, going the wrong way.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I just don't think so.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're not yet. In all seriousness, of course nobody controls the weather. Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Except for God.
>> Tim Wildmon: God. but God sets nature in motion and I don't.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, we're going to get, yeah, you're good.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're going to get some deep theological area here. I don't think God controls the. God does control, yes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Planet Earth, sure.
>> Tim Wildmon: But God doesn't, God doesn't stop nature from m. Taking its course and he's the creator of nature. And this polar vortex that they're talking about, if it were warm weather, if we were having the most warm weather we've had in 100 and whatever years, 50 years in Chicago, you better bet we will be hearing, see here. Oh yeah, this is proof of man made global warming. But when we have freezing your rear end off in the first of December, nobody's they switch over to. Well it's just a polar vortex coming down.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, that's not global cooling.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's not global cooling. It's just a polar vortex that we're having to deal with. But, but it is. listen, in all seriousness Ray, the the cold is causing a lot of an ice and snow. I mean I know our friends up north are used to it, but not starting in, even in Chicago.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, they're used to it in January. Yeah, right. But not, not this early in December. And Chris, does this mean we're going to have an extremely cold January and February?
>> Chris Woodward: I have not seen that in terms of like our neck of the.
>> Tim Wildmon: Woods, but know about these things, Chris.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It's hard to dig that far out too.
>> Chris Woodward: While I did graduate, from a university well known for meteorology, I'm not a meteorologist. I, you know, you could probably google it and find some different answers. Generally what I'm concerned about, when you see cold like this and then you see warm weather somewhere else, that spells bad news for us because we're always prone to a tornado.
>> Tim Wildmon: I tell you what, I tell you what I'm concerned about with, with cold weather and if it dips any further.
>> Wesley Wildmon: South, we're gonna miss it.
>> Tim Wildmon: What's my attitude I'm not a fan of this weather. It affects my personality.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: and I don't like being.
>> Chris Woodward: Cold at night when I sleep.
>> Tim Wildmon: I tell you what we need to do, fellas. You need to check out the Farmer's Almanac. That's always been.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. It's the source of all truth right there.
>> Tim Wildmon: Farmer's Almanac will tell you what's gonna happen. so, you're listening to today's issues. You checking out the Farmers Almanac?
>> Chris Woodward: I sure am.
>> Tim Wildmon: What is it?
>> Chris Woodward: All right, so Google, says the Farmer's Almanac forecast a wild for winter 2025 and 2026, predicting a cycle of cold, snow and repeat for most of the country, particularly in the Northern Plains and NewSong England. the old fashioned winter may not be as brutally cold as the previous year, but it's still going to be significantly cold, possibly lasting until April.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's just happens every year, right?
>> Tim Wildmon: Winter north.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Don Wildmon: People buy that?
>> Chris Woodward: Sure do.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Weather, it's just. Yeah, yeah, that's called seasons.
>> Chris Woodward: I have a prediction. If the Lord Terries, the sun will come out tomorrow and rise east.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh yeah, that's true.
>> Don Wildmon: Yeah.
There have been concerns about President Trump's health as he approaches 80
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, next story.
>> Chris Woodward: Alright, let's mention this real quick because there has been some concerns about President Trump's health, due to the fact that he is approaching 80. the president is currently 79 years old. And, in recent days the President has had at least one MRI, maybe a few MRIs done, to look for things. News reporters found out about this, asked Caroline Levitt about it yesterday, what the White House says nothing to worry about here, it's just a routine type thing. I've got the audio of Levitt talking about Trump's MRIs somewhere on my list here. number nine.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Number nine.
>> Pam Bondi: As part of President Trump's comprehensive executive physical advanced imaging was performed because men in his age group benefit from a thorough evaluation of cardiovascular and abdominal health. The purpose of this imaging is preventative, to identify any issues early, confirm overall health and ensure the President maintains long term vitality and function. President Trump's cardiovascular imaging was perfectly normal. No evidence of arterial narrowing, impairing blood flow or abnormalities in the heart or major vessels. The heart chambers are normal in size, the vessel walls appear smooth and healthy, and there are no signs of inflammation or clotting. Overall, his cardiovascular system shows excellent health. His abdominal imaging is also perfectly normal. All major organs appear very healthy and well profused. Everything evaluated is functioning within normal limits with no acute or chronic concerns. In summary, this level of Detailed assessment is standard for an executive physical at President Trump's age and confirms that he remains in excellent overall health.
>> Chris Woodward: One, one thing that stood out to me here is, number one, reporters, they have every right to ask about this. People should be concerned about the health of any president. But where were these reporters when Joe Biden was in there bumbling and fumbling around the White House?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I'm not. I wouldn't be so. By the way, what is well profused mean?
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, let me look.
>> Tim Wildmon: She said well profused and she lost me right there, on that one.
>> Chris Woodward: but well perfused means that an area of the body is receiving an adequate supply of blood oxygen and nutrients through good, blood flow.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, well, you can get that from like drinking tomato juice, which I don't do, by the way. so. Well, profuse, in all seriousness, right, what we're talking about here, we as, as Chris said, people do have a right to know. I know it's the President. I know it's a. Donald Trump is a private. Well, he's not a private. He is a, he has a right to his own health, analysis. But when you become President, United States, your mental and your physical m. Other things other than mental, do become, you do become an issue of public, concern or go ahead.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, this comes on the heels of four years of Joe Biden where his decline and truly sad.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: His decline was both sad and obvious. Invisible to the point that, remember, a year ago they kicked him off the ticket and put Kamala Harris in there. Right. That's how bad. Yes, that's how bad it becomes. So I don't blame anybody for. Look, I don't know. I don't know if there should be an age limit for the president or not. that's a, that's a different kind of debate. But I'll say this. When you've got A man who's 79 years old, if you just take that report at face value, Tim, he must be in the upper 5%, right? In the upper 3% or 2% of 79 year old men to get a health report like that. I am trying to do the math. I am six years behind the President. I have, I have. I'm very doubtful that I would get a report as positive as what Donald Trump got. So maybe it's, as some people say, maybe it's his God given metabolism.
>> Tim Wildmon: Have you had a full body mri?
>> Tim Wildmon: no, I have not. I've had the, you know, in, in relation to the cancer, the cancer treatment. I had MRIs, and that's one way that we called it and started the treatment. now I've not had what the president has. He had the, as they say, the executive physical. I want my president to have the executive physical. It's remarkable that a man of 79 could be in such good health.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. And you would expect some decline, right? In certain things. 79?
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And a half.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And a half. You start counting halves after 70. Right, right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Anyway, yeah, President Trump, you know, I think you're right in terms of his physical and mental, acuity, he's. He's in the top at least 10% of his age category because, he's McDonald's. Yeah, well, he does. He does. He loves him some fries.
>> Tim Wildmon: McDonald's and fries.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I bet they cook. His was real meek, though.
>> Tim Wildmon: It is funny to me how you hear these stories about, people that are super wealthy and course, Donald Trump was super wealthy, before he became president. He was a NewSong York real estate mogul. Right, right. And, but it's just funny to me when a man can have filet mignon delivered in front of him anytime he wants, and he's wanting to go, no, take me to the McDonald's drive through.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I want a Big Mac.
>> Chris Woodward: I want a Big Mac.
>> Tim Wildmon: M. Fries.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.
>> Chris Woodward: I hear, Donald Trump Jr. Once tell a story. This is back when the Apprentice was, big. Or had it just. It had just that show. Yes. And Donald Trump Jr. told the interviewer that, you know, his dad was really a down to earth guy who would much, rather just be sitting on the couch with a glass of milk and a cheeseburger than he would be at, like, a formal dinner.
How engaged President Trump is as a president is underappreciated
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Chris Woodward: That's been years ago.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You know, it's also, I do want to add this part as a reminder. It is remarkable, I think. I think it's underappreciated. What, regardless of what side you're on, how much he travels and how much he speaks and how m. How engaged he is as a president. Now, also, we're coming off the heels of Joe Biden. So you have Basement Joe, Basement Joe. You have two totally different, situations as far as comparison goes. So one could look way better than historical. But the point is that it does go to. It is amazing. It's remarkable what he can do and still have the help that he has.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, we'll see if, you know, if it holds up for three more years, because that's how much he has, you know, left in his second term. But I tell you what, too would be, he has a uncanny ability evidently to processed a lot of information on a daily basis. Well, any president does. Now I will say this to a president does have its, benefits in the sense that you got people to do stuff, and they're, you know, that you qualified. You say jump, they say how high? And that's all day, every day. And then you know, you have, when you travel, you got first class accommodations. And I'm just saying there are perks that go with the presidency that make life easier.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right. To do. Make it doable.
>> Tim Wildmon: Make it doable. But at the same time, as I said to, you know, you're having to, you're having to be on the phone, you're having to listen to your aides and assistants, you're having to give you know, directions. People want to know, is this okay to do, Mr. President. So that kind of thing is incoming all the time. So it's, it's it. But he, he does have the ability, at least right now, and hopefully and prayerfully it'll hold up for three more years, to be able to you know, be in a position of leadership that people know he is, all systems go.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And I pray and hope you're right. But if it doesn't, the other side can't say anything.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh yeah. Oh, you mean because they said zero. He was fully fit Auto Pin.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, he's. Yeah, that's what we're going to go with from now on.
>> Tim Wildmon: President Auto Pin.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Just President Auto Pin. And everyone will know, but they can't say they lost all credibility.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, you're right about that. You're absolutely right about that. The Democrats can't say anything about. Well, he's, you know, I remember, I.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Remember that last year, his last year of his president Auto Pen. The last year of President Otto Pin. I remember going. He would, we would place. We would play his audio and we'd go. We all know every reporter knows what's going on. The left knows what's going, which is to raise point. Now it was, it was late in the game, but that's why they pulled him.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Well when he did the debate. The debate, yeah, the debate in Atlanta that he did against Trump, in June of last year. Last year, right. Yeah. June of 2024 was, was when the whole world saw.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Can't remember if it was that world.
>> Tim Wildmon: Saw what a lot of people knew and that was. Joe Biden was incapable of, the faculties needed to be president United States.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I forget some of the phrases the news reporters would say. They'd say things like, he's fully. He's fully equipped. He's fully adequate. He's. He's all there. What. Whatever. However they.
>> Tim Wildmon: But there you talk about gaslighting with a capital G. Right?
>> Don Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Good night.
Abdominal image showed all major organs to be healthy
All right. but I've never heard a White House give such a two minute description of.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: I've never heard inside of his.
>> Tim Wildmon: The blood vessel wall look great. Right. I've never heard profusion.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Abdominal image showed all major organs to be healthy. Well profused.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well profused.
>> Wesley Wildmon: With no acute or chronic concerns to be noted.
>> Chris Woodward: I concur.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, we agree. You talk about any questions.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: We don't even understand what we just read. So there.
>> Tim Wildmon: If you say he's well profused. I'll go. I'll write my newspaper. Okay. We'll be back momentarily. John Ellis coming up. Stay with us.
Don Wildmon shares a story about crossing Fox River during a rainy season
>> Don Wildmon: It's my turn.
>> Jenna Ellis: Here is your host for my turn, Don Wildmon.
>> Don Wildmon: In the book of Matthew 6, there's some words that go like this that our Lord spoke. Therefore, do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day. Abraham Lincoln and some of his friends were once forced to do some traveling during a very rainy season. They had crossed many small streams and the water was high and fast. And all of them, after a long day of facing streams that nearly washed them away, they came to a lodge where they spent the night sitting around the fire. That night the men were talking about how high the streams were and how fast the water was flowing. Then someone brought up the fact that the very next day the group would be forced to cross Fox River. Now, Fox river was very difficult to cross even when the water was low. And if it was up in comparison to the other streams, it would be nearly impossible to cross. As they sat around and talked, many expressed the thought that Fox river would be uncrossable. Since they had a date to keep, it was important to the traveling group that they not be delayed on their journey for some time. That night, the group sat around discussing the river and the awful possibilities that would be open to them when it came time to cross it. Following some discussion of the river, someone noticed that there was a Methodist preacher spending the night in the lodge who traveled the territory quite often, who was very familiar with the Fox River. One of the group asked the preacher about Fox river and how he managed to cope with it when the water was high. Preacher, you've been listening to us talk about Fox River. Do you have any special way of getting across that river? Any rules to follow that might help us? A member of the group asked. Well, now that you ask, replied the preacher, I do have one fixed rule about the river. I've crossed it many times and I, know it's a mighty problem to get across sometimes, but I've solved the problem with just one rule. What's your secret, preacher? Have you got a special place to cross? Nope. Haven't got a special place to cross. I always cross it where everyone else crosses it. He says. Then you must have a float put back nearby to help you cross it. One of the group stated. Nope, haven't got a float put back. Just never did have the time to build one for the occasion and didn't have the money to buy one, said the preacher. But you said you had a rule about crossing that river. One of the Lincoln group blurted out, if you haven't got a special place to cross or a, float to cross on, then tell us what your rule about crossing the river is. Well, sir, said the preacher, I've crossed Fox river many times, but I've learned never to cross it till I reach it. And with that, the preacher rolled over and went to sleep. You know, it's a pretty good rule to follow.
This has been my turn with Don Wildmon on Today's Issues
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>> Tim Wildmon: This only do I seek, that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life to gaze on the beauty of the Lord and to seek him in his temple. Psalm 27, verse 4.
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>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues. That's the name of this show on the American Family Radio Network. I'm Tim with, Wesley, Chris and Ray. And joining us now is our friend and colleague and host of Jenna Ellis in the morning heard on American Family radio at 7 o' clock Central time each weekday morning. Jenna Ellis. Good morning, Jenna.
>> Jenna Ellis: Good morning. Great to join you guys.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you're, you know Ray, Ray Pritchard. he's about an hour and a half or two from you there. You're in central Florida, right?
>> Jenna Ellis: Yes, I am.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ray's in Central Florida. He's already told us. He already told us what the weather is, so, we don't. None of us need to hear that.
>> Jenna Ellis: Well, I might as well log off then, give you the weather update.
>> Tim Wildmon: They call it the Sunshine State for a reason. Although there can be a lot of rain.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, there can be.
>> Jenna Ellis: And we actually have some rain today, but we did not have hurricanes at all this year. So is the first time in 10 years that a hurricane did not make landfall in the United States?
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's awesome. Is it the rain there in Florida? You've been there for how long now? Jenna, this is western.
>> Jenna Ellis: Three years.
>> Don Wildmon: Okay?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Three years. So is it. Does it come. And is it all forms of rain, or it just comes in big bunches, or does it spread out real or. You know what I mean?
>> Jenna Ellis: All forms of rain.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, I'm not sure I understand that. All forms. Like, could it rain for, like, two or three days? That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So does it rain for, like, multiple. By the way, thank you, Jennife, pointing that out on live radio. I appreciate that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I wonder, when you said different forms of rain, I wondered. I know what you mean. Let me simplify this for you so we can move on. You meant like, torrential downpours, or you mean like Seattle spring, Seattle misting?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
>> Jenna Ellis: Oh, got it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Jenna Ellis: Well, you know, yeah, there are all forms of rain then. I can definitely use that now that I have been provided the Webster's. A dictionary definition of that. but Florida is. Is really funny in that. a lot of times it will be this torrential downpour for, like, a solid 15 minutes, and then it's just done. So. Yeah, so that's what we're kind of.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, thank y'.
>> Tim Wildmon: All, I think.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, we emailed you out there.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't think.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Chris, where were you? I needed you there.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think you made the right decision not going into meteorology school. I think that was a wise choice. Yes, Professor.
>> Wesley Wildmon: by the way, you know what? I'm gonna correct y'.
>> Don Wildmon: All.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Every one of y'. All. You can get hail, you can get rain. I'm just kidding. I'm trying to make it work here.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay?
>> Jenna Ellis: Hey, those are different forms of precipitation, but not actually rain.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley, there's an old.
>> Tim Wildmon: Boom.
>> Tim Wildmon: Chinese proverb. It's called stop digging when you're in a hole.
>> Tim Wildmon: Stop digging.
>> Tim Wildmon: All, right. All right, Moving right along here.
>> Wesley Wildmon: All right, fair enough.
There's a push from the GOP Congress to pass the SAVE act
>> Tim Wildmon: Jenna, what's on your radar right now, as far as the news goes?
>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, you know, there's a lot that's going on. I spoke on my show this morning about the, Islamification of the west or Christendom, as my guest very aptly put it. And so, that was a long form conversation today that is really worthwhile, honestly. so Definitely go to afr.net or our free app and you can always listen to the podcast version of course, after the fact. but then we also have a few other things going on right now. There's a big push from, the GOP Congress to pass the SAVE act. And this is Representative Chip Roy from Texas. mainly his, his legislation to ensure that only American citizens vote in federal elections. And this seems like a no brainer, but of course Democrats actually want non citizens to vote in U.S. elections. They're the ones that challenge the census, asking that question of whether you are a citizen, which is utterly preposterous when we're talking about using the census in terms of allocation of representative government. And so, the SAVE act is a really big deal in my opinion. This is a clarifying moment for the GOP because if they can't do something as very basic as saving the integrity of our elections and ensuring that only citizens vote in federal elections, then they just are, are telling us very bluntly that they don't want to govern. Because this has passed in the Congress now, which is great. It's, it's over in the Senate. And if the Senate does not use the nuclear option and destroy the filibuster for something that is this important, then they're never going to do it. And we saw that they didn't do it during the government shutdown. They probably are not going to do it on this. But I think that it's, if the GOP just says, well, you know, yeah, we're in the majority, but, you know, hey, this antiquated rule that governs us, that we can change at any time, we don't want to exercise that. And oh well, we did whatever we could, which was not anything. Then they are just signaling that they want to be in the minority.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well that's encouraging.
>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, well, so call your senators and say, you know, the SAVE act, and that's, that's, that's a big deal. also what's going on, if anybody wants to comment on that.
Tennessee 7 special election is tonight between a Republican and a Democrat
But also, two other items that are big in the news right now. the Tennessee 7 election. Just in light of how frustrated the overall voting population is with the GOP as a whole. I think people still like President Trump. They're still very happy with his executive orders, his leadership, some of that, but are frustrated with the GOP overall for lack of governing. Tennessee 7. This special election is between a Republican and what can only be described as probably one of the most crazy people that's ever run for office on the Democrat side. And, I don't say that lightly. this is somebody that just has absolutely no business running for office, is literally talking about having, you know, these weird, vivid dreams about, you know, all kinds of different random stuff like from, you know, they're a platform. I mean, she's literally insane. You guys need to go and actually watch clips of this. And the Democrats should not win. This is a district that Trump won in 24 by over 22 points. And so the Republican should get elected, but because of how many people are frustrated and just kind of throwing up their hands now, this seat is potentially in play. And so it would be a huge upset for Democrats.
>> Chris Woodward: Afton. Ben, if I'm saying the last name correctly, is the, Democrat here? Afton has been in the news.
>> Tim Wildmon: Because she made first name.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes, Afton.
>> Jenna Ellis: I didn't go there because I didn't have any idea how to pronounce it. I wanted to say Mercedes Benz, but I don't think that's true.
>> Chris Woodward: Aftyn. Afton. Afton made comments, a while back on a podcast or something in which she said, I hate Nashville, and she's running to represent a part of Nashville. So nothing says vote me in like, I hate this place. And that's why people are referring country music as well. Fox has, billed her as the AOC of Tennessee. I'm not sure if that's fair, but I'll be.
>> Tim Wildmon: I saw that district, there, and I'm familiar somewhat with. With Tennessee. I would be stunned if she wins. that's a. That's a red district. And anyway, we'll see what happens here. But that is a special election. It is tonight. I mean, it is today. So make sure if you have friends or family who live in that. What district is it in Tennessee? Does that include Franklin? Doesn't it.
>> Jenna Ellis: I do not know off the top of my head where, what the district lines are, but it is Tennessee District 7. So, you know, it looks to me like.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think I saw it, and it looked me like it was part of Franklin and then, which is a suburb of, Nashville and then. And then a lot of rural.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, looking at. Yes, I'm looking at it right now. The counties, are Benton, Cheatham, Davidson, Decatur, Dixon, Hickman, Houston and Humphreys. and the list goes on.
>> Tim Wildmon: You always need to watch.
>> Chris Woodward: Including Franklin, it says you always need.
>> Tim Wildmon: To watch out when there's a county named Cheatham in an election.
>> Jenna Ellis: Again, going back, we got to pass the SAVE Act.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, okay, I want to go back to the SAVE act for just a minute, please.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, again, what is the SAVE Act?
>> Jenna Ellis: Jenna, this is ensuring that only citizens vote in federal elections.
>> Tim Wildmon: I would thought that would already be.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You're still in my.
>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So, safe safeguard American voter eligibility. All right, so my question would be, again, I'm all for the principle of this, but, there's what you know is a despotile law, and there's a lot of them where they're. We have laws on books, but they're not enforced. So what is this going to do? Or can it do any different than what we already have on the books as it relates to. Because when you read off the definition here.
>> Tim Wildmon: And I have a partial answer to the question too, after Jenna asked. And then I know Ray's not a potted plant there. He has. He wants to participate in the show, too.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, sir.
>> Tim Wildmon: We'll let you comment, but. Go ahead, Jenna.
>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, so basically what this would be doing is requiring voters to provide documentation of proof of US Citizenship when registering for elections. And so, you know, as we all know, we go in and show, just your state id. Or, you know, sometimes people. The. They don't even require showing ID at all. And so, it does obviously require that, local precincts enforce that. But the act would require voters to provide proof of US Citizenship, not just a driver's license or some other form of id.
>> Tim Wildmon: I would also say this is probably the thinking probably is, this is to federalize, make, a federal law that would, that would cause these blue states to comply with, you know, with a.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Or be forced to be.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, with. You have to be a US Citizen to vote. Because a lot of these far lefties, they're. They're nuts. They'll say, anybody gets to vote doesn't matter whether they're a citizen or not. You've seen those. You've seen those proposals before, and I saw them in NewSong York and in California. So, you might say, well, what do I care whether citizens, of San Francisco are American or not? I don't even live in California. Well, that's fine if we're only a localized election, but when we're talking about making congressional, elections, senatorial elections, presidential elections, for example, that affects the whole country. So, yes, everybody who votes needs to show identification that they are indeed a US Citizen. Ray, go ahead.
>> Tim Wildmon: Jen.
Christian: Is President Trump losing his mandate with the American people
I want to ask you about the polls, but it ties into the questions we've been discussing. You said a moment ago, widespread voter dissatisfaction with the gop, and yet people seem to like President Trump, or at least willing to give him. Give him a benefit of the doubt. The problem there, I suppose, is how do you separate the president from his party? And the polls are just snapshots. I realize that. I've been watching Rasmussen. Pretty reliable. The daily tracking poll. 47, 46, 45. Today. Is the president in danger of losing his mandate with the American people?
>> Jenna Ellis: I think that's a great question. And, I think the danger is that a lot of people are seeing this as the Trump mandate and Congress absolutely failing to view that mandate as their own as well. And, the danger, as I state, I mean, with several, members of Congress either resigning, before the midterms, like Marjorie Taylor Green out of Georgia, or threatening to resign like a few other GOP members, with such a narrow majority in the House of Representatives, wouldn't it be just a classic GOP move to lose their majority without even an election? so that is potentially on the table. And it's just very, you know, demoralizing, I think, to a lot of voters who, after the 2024 election, with how much President Trump won by a landslide. And to Tim's point, all of these elections, even if they are only statewide, they still, or even just district wide, if they're federal, they go to the whole composition, as a whole of the majority in the House of Representatives and the Senate. And so we have to, have enough of a conservative majority, not just notice I didn't just say Republican, but a conservative majority who understands the Trump mandate in order to actually codify some of these executive orders, because the President is rightly, constitutionally limited. And so I think that there is a sense of demoralization when you look at. And this really started to crop up a lot during the government shutdown and of course, in the aftermath of the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination, where we saw that really the only thing that the GOP has accomplished at all in terms of codification and legislation was the one big, beautiful bill which didn't even codify any of the Doge outrageous spending, issues. And that's why Elon Musk kind of gave up. So from this perch, in this perspective, I think that a lot of people are demoralized. And it's incumbent upon Congress to get it together to do simple things like pass the SAVE act, pass, you know, a good budget. We still haven't, you know, really done much and and actually move forward on the mandate.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. I will say this. I think Elon Musk quit because he was ticked at Trump.
>> Wesley Wildmon: About what, though?
>> Jenna Ellis: I think that was.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, he's ticked at Trump because Trump was. Trump's not a fiscal conservative.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Trump doesn't care about, deficit spending. Okay. And now I'm not saying he's alone. Most Republicans don't anymore. You know why? Because most Americans don't want to hear it. I think this, this is me talking here. So I think, I think, what Musk was upset was that Trump, he was looking at all the work he had done and then he saw Donald Trump, the president, basically going against that with the big beautiful bill in terms of so who's right and wrong there? I'm not saying necessarily. I'm just saying I think that's what the contention was if you ask, Elon Musk. Well, you know, it's, it's, to be fair to Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, he's dealing with four, four or five or six. What is it voting? majority.
>> Chris Woodward: Oh, it's very small.
>> Jenna Ellis: It's very small. Once Marjorie Taylor Green leaves, I mean.
>> Tim Wildmon: It'S gonna down to four something.
>> Jenna Ellis: Yeah, yeah, three or four.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Jenna Ellis: But at the same time though, and, and with all due respect to Mike Johnson, he, you know, he's been a personal friend of mine for a long time. So I mean, I know him well. I think he has, you know, very sincere personal relationship with the Lord. He's a Christian, you know, all of those things. his leadership, in my opinion, has been, as I've described it on my show and a couple of different interviews, as more of a life coach, counselor, to people in Congress, as he even described it himself on a recent interview that he with his wife Kelly on a podcast then actually having firm leadership and whipping votes and saying that we've all got to come together for some of these priorities. So it seems to me that he's trying to be a little bit too much of a behind the scenes player and kind of a, you know, let's everybody get along and you know, what are your needs and sort of this coexist bumper sticker kind of view instead of taking more of a firm handed approach, which when you have that small of a majority you may need. Need.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
Jenna Bell: Ron DeSantis' term as Florida governor expires in 2020
All right. Well, listen, Jenna, So your, podcast is up now.
>> Jenna Ellis: so my. My weekly podcast comes out every Friday. So we are, We will be recording that soon, so stay tuned for that. But that's on demand. You can find, past episodes, which are still very timely, worth, listening [email protected] or via our free app. And then, also tomorrow, we're gonna have a member of Congress on talking more about the SAVE act and, a few other things. And we're also, in. In talks as well, with getting Governor DeSantis back on as well, because Florida is in the midst of, some redistricting proposals, in light of, you know, all of the election mess, in terms of let's protect our elections, but let's also make sure that, with this new census and some other things, that districts are actually apportioned correctly. And if all of that goes through, Florida may end up getting five, or six seats. I wonder if that's a big deal as well.
>> Tim Wildmon: By the way, who knows what the future holds for Governor Ron DeSantis, because his term as governor ends, what, January of 2020.
>> Chris Woodward: Jenna just had a conversation about this with Chris, Salcedo.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So what is. What do you think the future holds for governor, DeSantis as far as politics?
>> Jenna Ellis: Well, you know, he was actually on CNN and answered the question of whether he was going to run again for president, and he basically said it's too early at this point, which I think is very wise. You know, at of the day, he truly is a public servant. I don't think that he runs with the intention of just furthering his own political career. He's not a career politician. he's a lawyer who's a JAG officer in Congress, you know, and then a governor. And so if he doesn't see a pathway, he won't run. so what he will do if he doesn't end up running for president remains to be seen. But I think he's taking a very calculated approach. He's wanting to, focus right now on the last year that he has as governor and leave Florida in the absolute best shape that he can to hand off to, whoever is the next governor. And whether or not he participates in the primary in Florida also remains to be seen. and that's the most interesting question from my perspective as a Floridian.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Jenna, thanks so much. Appreciate it.
>> Jenna Ellis: Thanks, guys.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, bye. Bye.
Ray: Ron DeSantis is the best conservative governor I can remember
That's Jenna Ellis, joining us. Ray Any thoughts on what Jenna was sharing there?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I want to, I want to just say this about Jenna as a person. She's the real deal, friends. The absolute real deal. You ought to listen to a program in the morning, check out the podcast. you know, Tim, every time we interview her, I just think she is so well spoken on the issues of the day. And, yeah, I also agree with you about Ron DeSantis. hey, Tim, they love him in Florida with very good reason, because the state is doing well. No state income tax. He's even said he'd like to do away with property tax here in Florida.
>> Chris Woodward: That's a big one, I think. I would not be shocked if we don't start seeing and hearing people say, Vance DeSantis. And the reason they're going to, the way that they're going to try to sell this as a ticket in 2028, is it would lock up Ohio and Florida, the two states they always need to win. A Republican always needs to win to get the White House.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Ron DeSantis, I think, is the best conservative governor I can remember. there may have been some that were as good.
>> Wesley Wildmon: There may have been some as good ideologically, but actually doing it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Well, and two, he's an articulate, articulating, position.
>> Tim Wildmon: War is a huge state. Right. It's one thing to be governor of Wyoming. No, I'm not putting that right.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know.
>> Chris Woodward: It's practically a country.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Florida wasn't always red. Florida.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Florida was purple before Ron DeSantis came along. And he's a two term, widely popular, governor.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Deep red now.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, deep red. It's, it's far to a red state now.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes. So, in the 2022 midterms, Florida was the one place that had a lot of Republican gains. And it, it made, it even got Brett bears, attention because Brett said on Fox News that evening, Florida looks more like Arkansas tonight than it did prior to this election starting.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Wow. But I, do think there's a future somewhere, for Ron DeSantis, whether it would be, you know, I think, I think J.D. vance, the current vice president, would be the, nominee for the Republicans if were today because he is the heir apparent. And, that's the way, that's the way the system works. But I could definitely see Ron DeSantis, you know, having served two terms as governor of Florida, being, on the ticket with, Vance, for example, like you're suggesting, Chris, or In a. Or in a, cabinet position. Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State, whatever.
>> Chris Woodward: He's in the Navy.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Anyway, I do think we'll be hearing from Ron DeSantis again, after he leaves the governor's, mansion in Tallahassee. You're listening to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network.
National Taxpayers Union Foundation says red states are gaining people by the minute
What's your next story, Chris?
>> Chris Woodward: Well, I posted this on our Today's Issues Facebook page so people can go there and get the information from themselves. but there is a new, report out from the National Taxpayers Union Foundation. It's the usual thing that you see at the end of a year that shows you where Americans are moving to and where they're moving from. And the National Taxpayers Union foundation says Florida, Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee are gaining people by the minute. No joke.
>> Tim Wildmon: By, the minute.
>> Chris Woodward: By the minute. Yes. No surprise here. California, NewSong York, Illinois, Massachusetts, and NewSong Jersey are losing people due in part to government policies.
>> Tim Wildmon: So the Jed Clamp it, scenario isn't happening anymore.
>> Chris Woodward: No. Also, I want to know.
>> Tim Wildmon: He moved from a red state to a boost.
>> Chris Woodward: He sure did. he sure did. And he made it better.
>> Tim Wildmon: Of course, at that time, California wasn't a blue state. It was a red state.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Remember this?
>> Chris Woodward: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And the cement ponds and all that.
>> Chris Woodward: I just want to know. I've always wanted to know, what kind of ammo was he using to strike oil?
>> Tim Wildmon: You tell my Jed.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes, because he was shooting at an animal, and he missed, and that's how he struck oil. Like, what are you shooting with, first.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thing, you know, old Jedi.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, Chris, when I'm watching TV or a movie, and I ask a question like you asked, which is very reasonable, that's when I get jabbed in the ribs. It's just by my wife. She says just. Would you shut up? It's a TV show. It's a movie.
>> Chris Woodward: The Professor. The professor couldn't. He could make a radio out of a coconut, but he couldn't fix a hole in the boat. I know.
>> Tim Wildmon: Come on.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're such a problem. Don't you just jump from Beverly Hillbillies to Gilligan's Island.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know.
>> Chris Woodward: Don't get me started on bike radio. And he couldn't have an add on in the house. The kids had to share a ranch.
>> Tim Wildmon: Two classics. What were we talking about before we got off?
>> Chris Woodward: People moving.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: People move. People.
>> Chris Woodward: Sorry. It was my fault.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. We've been seeing this, over the last 10 years, and we saw it a lot following the, COVID lockdowns and the restrictions that were taking place in California and NewSong York and some of these other, blue states. Blue states, we were seeing that. So you saw a lot there then. You saw a lot in the next wave of the public, education and how they were, abusing their ability to teach and stuff. Go ahead.
>> Chris Woodward: Florida welcomes somebody new every 2 minutes and 9 seconds, followed by Texas at roughly every 2 minutes and 53 seconds.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I want to know how many people per. Like, is it a half a person per second then?
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, well, that's a good question, Wesley.
>> Chris Woodward: Math is why I have a BA in communication. Don't ask me half a person.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: I do think also the, in addition to, Well, I think the business friendly environments of, family friendly, the red states, and family friendly environments and more freedom.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Then these, the blue states are going more government, control of everything. High taxation, high regulation. I mean these are where the secular progressives, they just, they rule the day. And in these blue states they're involved.
>> Wesley Wildmon: In every part of your life.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And a lot of people are saying, you know, I don't want to live under this.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: so I'm going to move to. I'm going to move to a red state which. So the bottom line is the red states are gaining people. Growing trend that are leaving the blue states.
>> Wesley Wildmon: There was a, there was a big wave of conservative, influencers that move that left California and moved to Tennessee. Nashville, Tennessee.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Nashville's just going crazy as far as its growth goes from people moving from California and Texas. Yeah, yeah, Texas. you know, the Dallas, Fort Worth area continues to go crazy.
>> Chris Woodward: Houston's one of the biggest cities in the.
>> Tim Wildmon: A lot of, A lot of them are from, California moving out. All right, we will be back with more of, today's issues with Steve Paisley Jordan coming up in five minutes.
>> Jenna Ellis: M the views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.
>> Tim Wildmon: M.
