Tim Wildman is president of the American Family Association
>> Jeff Chamblee: Form, equip and activate individuals to strengthen the moral foundations of American culture and give aid to the church here and abroad in its task of fulfilling the Great Commission. Further, AFA believes this ministry, as well as everything in the heavens and on the earth, belongs to God. And AFA's role is that of a trusted manager. Thank you for standing with the American Family Association. Welcome to Today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr.
The enemy of live radio is the sneeze
you know, the enemy of live radio, ladies and gentlemen, is the sneeze.
>> Jeff Chamblee: And are you getting close?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I thought that was coming on again, and it happened to me a couple days ago. I had to. I had to defer to Fred. I said, fred, answer that question, because I'm going to put my microphone on mute here. But anyway, I think we're okay. I think we're all clear. I think it was a.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It is funny when. When you feel it coming off, right? And there's a tipping point in there somewhere where, you know, I. I can't control. It's coming like a freight train.
>> Tim Wildmon: And my wife, Allison, she says, that I scare people with my.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I do the same thing, huh?
>> Tim Wildmon: yeah, same thing.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Not just. Not just little children, either.
>> Tim Wildmon: No. You hear these wimpy sneezes from people and you go, that's not even a sneeze. Don't even. You know what I'm saying? Here's a sneeze.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Understood. People who are able to smother that sneeze.
>> Tim Wildmon: No.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And I wonder what kind of internal damage they're doing.
>> Tim Wildmon: Your eyeballs will pop out if you.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That energy's got to go somewhere.
Wesley Wildman to have cataract surgery Friday
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so, back to the serious news desk we go. Here on Today's Issues on American Family. Okay, that was Wesley sneezing.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I can't. You can't really fake us this.
>> Tim Wildmon: No. You know, Ed. Ah, Edge. Welcome back.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Hey, thank you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Had a little back issue.
>> Ed Vitagliano: A, little back issue back in the game. I'm coming. I'm coming apart at the scene.
>> Tim Wildmon: He was sharing in devotion this morning.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're having. You're in your mid-60s, and. And things start breaking down.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I wish I was in my mid-60s, Tim. I'll m. Be 67 next month. In August. No. Yeah. I've got to have cataract surgery. And,
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, in all seriousness, we ask people to Pray for you. Because that's. Anytime they mess with your eyes, you're going, oh, hang on.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: But nowadays it cataracts. Pretty routine for. But unless it's your eyes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, yes, of course. I've never had it before.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No. one person who really had some bad side effects, but everyone else says, man, it's a breeze. And it's going to be. It'll be weird. You can. You'll be able to see.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Without glasses or contacts.
>> Tim Wildmon: The rest of the distinguished panel, Wesley Wildmon. Good m. Morning, Wesley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Hey, good morning.
>> Tim Wildmon: And Fred Jackson.
>> Fred Jackson: Fred, you were going to say funny story on cataract, surgery. My oldest, daughter worked at a clinic for a while, many years ago, and some. Some older guys. A lot of older guys have had that problem.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: But they would come in, and of course, the ladies who were kind of doing the workup to everything, they would be talking to these older gentlemen, and some of them would say, yeah, I'm here for my Cadillac surgery because it's.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The doctor's doctor's gravy.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah. They had to kind of suppress a smile, you know, but they were there for a Cadillac surgery.
>> Tim Wildmon: Did they not know how to pronounce it, or were they joking about the doctors about to buy Cadillac off the money? I'm about to.
>> Fred Jackson: Somewhere along the way, Cadillac got in that brain, and that's the way it was coming out.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So it's. And in fact, it's the same place I'm going. Yes. Friday. I've got to try to remember to use that line. Of course, I'm not telling my wife in advance that I'm going to joke with the lady because she's always going, oh, please don't. Nobody thinks you're funny. Because I joke around with cashiers and waitresses.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It's a hit or miss when you joke around with cashiers because you don't know what kind of day they're having. You don't know what kind of person they are. Like, they find humor. Are they serious? So. So if you bust a couple times. Your wife. I can see her saying, listen, just order disorder.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It doesn't stop me if I. If I've, If I've thrown a few airballs.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But it matters to my wife. I don't want to hear it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You got to tell her. Look, I.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, the.
>> Wesley Wildmon: This person in front of me that I'm joking with doesn't. She didn't see the last air ball for her. This is the first one.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, I didn't tell people what day it was.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh.
Tomorrow's my son's birthday. We going to take him out to dinner
>> Tim Wildmon: So a lot of people wondering, Tim, what day is it? You always tell me what today is. Wednesday, July 30th. 2025. 10:09am is 10 Central Time.
>> Fred Jackson: Central Time.
>> Tim Wildmon: Central Time. 10.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Tomorrow's my son's birthday.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, is that right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: I remember that.
>> Tim Wildmon: July 31st.
>> Ed Vitagliano: July 31st.
>> Tim Wildmon: We going to take him out to dinner?
>> Ed Vitagliano: We're going over. We're going over. Over to his house.
>> Wesley Wildmon: For him to grill out.
>> Tim Wildmon: For him to grill his birthday.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, we're having pizza.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: We're having pizza on his birthday for.
>> Jeff Chamblee: Him to clean up.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It's going to be a great day.
>> Wesley Wildmon: This is a program radio program. We have, we have, we have a live audience. They're listening in.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. And we have news to get to.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right. They don't care.
8.8 earthquake off Russian east coast set off tsunami warnings
>> Tim Wildmon: On a serious note, Fred, there's a. Had tsunami warnings yesterday.
>> Fred Jackson: Oh, yeah. Well, what we had was a huge earthquake. Some people are calling it one of the, strongest, earthquakes in history off the, Russian east coast, early this morning. Russian time, 8.8. Now, you know, you live along the west coast in particular, you get a shaker to, you know, 2.0, that sort of thing. Nobody kind of takes it too seriously. And, we won't go into the details of the Richter scale, but it grows dramatically. Like, 8.8 is a long way from 2.2, where we're talking strength of these things. And it set off all kinds of tsunami warnings, all the way down to Hawaii and along the west coast, the California coastline, Japan in particular. As far as a tsunami height goes, on, the northern end of Japan, the height of the wave got up to 13ft there, not too heavily populated. And also we're told, along the coast of San Francisco, the waves got as high as 2 to 5ft early this morning. they've removed all the warnings now and even the advisories, they backed off from that. the good thing in this, there are no reports of deaths anywhere, at all. So, you know, the Bible talks about the earth groaning. This was a big groan, right? but, you know, the Pacific Rim earthquakes. my wife was shown, she has an app and, shows earthquakes, recent earthquakes all around that rim. You go all the way down to Japan, you go up through Russia, across Alaska and down the California coastline. There are shakers all the time. We just don't hear about them.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But this is only impact, people.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes, this was 8.8. You move an 8.8 into 25, 30 miles off the coast of California.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, yeah, you got a real problem. You got real, destruction, loss of life. Don't they call that in the Pacific the Ring of Fire? Yeah, they do, because a lot of active volcanoes, which means a lot of, kind of chaotic stuff going on under the surface.
>> Fred Jackson: Oh, yeah. I lived on the west coast, British Columbia, for about 10 years. And they practice, you know, with kids in school, what to do if there's an earthquake.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, like here, much of the Southeast and the Midwest, and central, part of Central Plains for tornadoes.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes. Where I lived was, about. The suburb of Vancouver was about 2ft below sea level. And what they warned us about was something called liquefaction. In other words, water would come up from your soil in your front yard and, that you need to be thinking about these things. The other things. We talked about earthquakes before.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, hold on.
>> Tim Wildmon: You just glossed over that one there. Okay, this sounds like a science fiction movie. You're what? Your water comes up.
>> Fred Jackson: Because we're below sea level in Richmond, that's a suburb. The water comes up out of the ground. It just spills up.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Spills up?
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: So you don't have to. You. There are times you don't even have to water your yard.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, this is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Waters for earthquakes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: For earthquakes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Because you say the people that put in the, water.
>> Tim Wildmon: System.
>> Wesley Wildmon: System. They're upset about this, the sprinkler system, because they don't have.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's a natural sprinkler system. Okay, that just sounded crazy.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I've never heard that before, and I've never heard of it either. And so would anything happen is it didn't turn your ground into quicksand or anything, does it?
>> Fred Jackson: Or fortunately, we didn't experience it, so I'm not sure. But it's not a good condition. Yeah, it's not a good.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Wow.
>> Fred Jackson: You know, and people just. You know, as I was going to say, the thing with earthquake, there's no warning, right? There's. There's, you know, you don't. Like. Like hurricanes you see coming or tornadoes. Or tornadoes, you see that coming.
>> Wesley Wildmon: so when is this expected to hit the coast?
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I think it's done.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's. Yeah, I think it happened like, what, 15, to 24 hours ago.
>> Fred Jackson: Something like early morning Wednesday, Russian time.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's when the hurt. That. Excuse me. That's when the earthquake happened right off the coast of Russia. Sometimes People forget how far Russia extends. I mean it goes from Korea, north of Korea, the Korean peninsula all the way over to you know, the border of well, Ukraine and places in in Europe. So it goes from Asia to Europe and what you. But this earthquake, measured at 8.8 on Richter scale, as you say Fred, had that earthquake hit anywhere near a major metropolitan area or you know it would have, it would have, that would, that would bring down the city of Los Angeles.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. You're talking even with all their earthquake catastrophe.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That'd be catastrophic.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
The Bible does talk about earthquakes and volcanoes in end times
If something like that happened.
>> Fred Jackson: You know, it was much stronger than the one in San Francisco. Remember that back.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It was just like a six point something.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes. And overpasses collapsed the whole thing.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, the bio. Listen, I don't want to get us into something I don't. I cannot talk a lot about. But the Bible does talk about in the end times that earthquakes and volcanoes and does it mention volcanoes in particular?
>> Ed Vitagliano: I think it does. Maybe in Luke.
>> Tim Wildmon: anyway, crazy weather, and natural disasters will increase is what I'm going to say now. Like I said, I don't want to get into that right now. There's. We can maybe do that with. On another show. But when I heard about this strength of this earthquake, I immediately thought about the Bible warning about warning, about this. Now some people would say well that's happened in the past. Well, maybe so, but I'm just saying it's part.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It's still, it's still true though.
>> Tim Wildmon: It still gets your attention when you. An 8.8 is unheard of.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, no volcanoes directly mentioned in Luke. But it does talk about earthquakes and natural disasters, plagues and famines.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
Wesley asks Ed why some words are silent in the English language
>> Wesley Wildmon: Before we move on from this topic, I do have a very, very serious question for Ed. But I don't want to mess up.
>> Ed Vitagliano: M. I'm ready man.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, I just want to say I'm here and available. You bad. Can't answer it. Look my way.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It's very specific because Ed served in our. In the previously known the journal department.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Now the stand department magazine. Magazine. And you did writing and editing and all that. Why on planet earth do we have letters and words that are silent like tsunami? Like there's a T at the beginning of this.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm with you on that. So why can you answer that?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Just a decent explanation.
>> Tim Wildmon: Tsunami.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Make something up.
>> Tim Wildmon: How is tsunami spelled?
>> Ed Vitagliano: T S U N a M M. Tsunami.
>> Tim Wildmon: I. Okay. And. And the question, the question Wesley poses is, is why Letters when they're silent.
>> Ed Vitagliano: well, because the English language is a. Actually a hodgepodge of a number of different languages coming from the Old world.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So the. In other words, the English language coming from England. it's combinations of German and, Dutch and, you know, the Vikings who controlled England for a long time. French words crept in there with. After the Normandy invasion, the invasion of the Normans, I should say, in 1066, Anglo Saxons. So though a lot of those words and those languages melded together and oftentimes produced, you know, consonant combinations that, are. Don't seem to have a. A logical explanation, but it's because.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Thank you for.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, but now that's how we agree on that. I. I mean, I threw in Anglo Saxons and consulates.
>> Tim Wildmon: And then you ended up, after two minutes of saying, I don't know.
>> Ed Vitagliano: He said. He said, just take a shot. I did. That was my best shot.
>> Tim Wildmon: There, there.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Tsunami starts with a T. I just want to emphasize that one more time.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, I did study French, the French language for us two semesters, I think, in high school. Yeah. So, I said studied, but. But, in. In, learning about French and then you. Spanish and other kinds of languages. You. People who know multiple languages often say the English language is the hardest one.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Because of the, A lot of times the multiple use of words. And I was talking to my wife last night or the night before. We were. She was, She had been. The word shower, for example.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. She had been to a, wedding. Wedding shower on Sunday afternoon.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: This. You heard of these things?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's where women get together and bring gifts.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And I'm going to let you finish this story, and then I'm going to complain about showers.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. But anyway, they do, for about two. I've never been to one. maybe I've been to one, but then I stayed for 10 minutes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And it's not for men.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's not for men. It's women. They.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They're literally not invited, though.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Really?
>> Tim Wildmon: They don't want men. You go into a shower, they look at you funny. They're like, what are you doing here?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, anyway, so we got the word shower for that. Then we got the word shower also used for, like a rain shower.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Shower is showering. rain shower. And then you've got your shower in your restroom, your bathroom at home. Right.
Tim Edwards: Men do not believe in baby showers, any kind
Shower. So there you got just three, and.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The first four letters of it is. Is the word show.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You Want to go. You want to go to the show?
>> Tim Wildmon: Show, Yeah. I could see how somebody would, like, give up on learning. Learning the English language. I thought you said shower.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes, I do.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm looking outside. There's no shower. No, I'm talking about the wedding shower.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. You mean the take.
>> Tim Wildmon: but you. But you do mean showering. Showering somebody with gifts. So there is a translation.
>> Wesley Wildmon: This is my fault. I take responsibility.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And let me just say my, response to the shower question. Yes, men are not usually invited to wedding showers, but I had to put a stop to a troubling trend.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: on baby showers.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Baby showers. A lot of that was women, too. And then I started get. Getting invited to all kinds of baby showers.
>> Tim Wildmon: Baby showers.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. And I told my wife, I said, why am I going to this thing? Well, because you got invited, and they started trying to invite men to baby showers. And at some point, I said, no, unless it's for my own grandkids.
>> Tim Wildmon: You got to take a stand.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I took a stand. I said, I'm not going to this.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Men do not believe showers, any kind.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. If. Anyway, you're right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: She left out who the boss was.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Keep this going. But we got.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, we need to reel this in. well, this is today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim Edwards, Wesley and Fred. Next story. Fred.
>> Fred Jackson: So, Tim to Paul. Francais?
>> Tim Wildmon: yeah. Well, yeah. Oh, the French thing.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Do you know, can you speak fluent French? Oh, just a little bit.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. I wondered how far the French went north into Canada. I know Quebec is, the French is the official language. Right.
>> Fred Jackson: Quebec is the official. There, you know, official language. New Brunswick, believe it or not, is the only official province that is bilingual. Oh, that's the official.
>> Tim Wildmon: But your home of Nova Scotia is English.
>> Fred Jackson: mostly. Well, not all French influence. Well, we have the Acadians both in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, and a whole bunch of them came to some state in.
>> Tim Wildmon: Louisiana.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Strange foods.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, they. The. Yeah, the Cajun people came from Canada.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Kicked them out.
>> Fred Jackson: Well, they got out of there because those English,
>> Tim Wildmon: Surely there's got to be somewhere warmer in this world. Who's with me? And then they boarded a ship and they went to. To the land of alligators.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And gumbo.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: all right, so, the tsunami story from the earthquake is basically over.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes. Praise the Lord for that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Next story.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
President Trump accuses Jeffrey Epstein of taking staffers from his Florida spa
All right. This may shock you, but President, Donald Trump is back in the news this morning.
>> Tim Wildmon: No.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah. And kind of combined with the Epstein story. President Trump was, talking a lot about the Epstein story, both on his visit in Scotland and coming home on Air Force One yesterday. And, he offered some new details as to why he and, Epstein didn't get along. He accused. Accuses Epstein of stealing some of the people who work for Donald Trump in the spa, Mar a Lago.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, that's happened to me before, so I can identify with that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: How he feels, but go ahead.
>> Fred Jackson: But anyway, so what we're going to play for you is a little bit of the. What we call the news scrum that he had on Air Force One, and then a little bit from a news conference in Scotland where he added a few more details. It's cut number one.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're saying that Jeffrey Epstein coached two.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Of your staffers who were. They were.
>> Donald Trump: They say two or. I don't want to say any number you're talking about many years ago. But, yeah, he took people. And because he took people, I said, don't do it anymore. You know, they work for me. And he took, beyond that, he took some others. And once he did that, that was the, end of him. Were some of the workers that were.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Taken from you, were some of them young women?
>> Donald Trump: The answer is yes, they were.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, they were young women. What did they do in the spa?
>> Donald Trump: Yeah, people that work in the spa. I have a great spa, one of the best spas in the world in mar a lago.
>> Amber Brown: Mr. President, did one of those stolen.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, persons that include Virginia, Jeffrey.
>> Donald Trump: I think she worked at the spa. I think so. I think that was one of the people. He stole her. And by the way, I never went to the island. And Bill Clinton went there supposedly, 28 times. I never went to the island, but Larry Summers, I hear, went there. He was the head of Harvard and many other people that are very big people. Nobody ever talks about them. I never had the privilege of going to his island, and I did turn it down, but a lot of people in Palm beach were invited to his island. In one of my very good moments, I turned it down. I didn't want to go to his island.
>> Tim Wildmon: Where do you start with that? Sometimes it's better just not say anything. Bless his heart. President Trump. Just, to his credit, he's very accessible as President, United States, and he doesn't shy away from answering questions or doing interviews.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Doing interviews, which is why you get sometimes those kind of, conversations or statements.
>> Tim Wildmon: Shoot from the hip.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Shoot from the hip.
>> Tim Wildmon: Shoot from the hip.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And as y' all yeah. Was better than being in the basement.
>> Tim Wildmon: I agree.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, I agree. At least you know where they got what the guy's thinking.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. But I wish if he changes his mind here in a little bit.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, that's. That's how he is. A couple things there. this Jeffrey Epstein story. Okay. Based on everything I know, and hearing about all this, can I give you my. Can you share from my heart?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Share from your heart?
>> Tim Wildmon: Share from my heart.
>> Ed Vitagliano: This is absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: This is about President Trump and his relationship with this fellow.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Shower.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'll show us with your thoughts, I'm sure.
>> Wesley Wildmon: we do got it. While we're on Trump, we do got to get to his terror stuff, too, before we move on.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. But I've got to share from my heart. Wesson.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, so look at the clock going.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, we can come back after the break, and I can.
>> Ed Vitagliano: We do have a guest after the break, but we can come back to tariffs.
>> Tim Wildmon: We can come back to tariffs or if I'm not finished sharing my heart.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, that's right. More. so go for it.
If President Trump had done something illegal with Jeffrey Epstein, potentially criminal
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so in all seriousness, I think what you have here, if President Trump had done something illegal or, wrong that was criminal, potentially, with Jeffrey Epstein, the pedophile who committed suicide. I put that in quotations because we don't know exactly what happened to him. but he was convicted of sex trafficking. So if, If. If, that President Trump, then Donald Trump, the New York, real estate tycoon, and Jeffrey Epstein, they were New York socialites. Okay. And as were. As are people for the ages in New York City who are New York socialites there. Yesteryear today and there'll be some tomorrow. You know, this is how this city, that city works. It's basically the most famous city in the world where a lot of. A lot of famous people live there.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: And they go to parties, they interact, all the same thing with Sean Diddy. Diddy. What was his name? What's his name?
>> Ed Vitagliano: He.
>> Tim Wildmon: Diddy P. Diddy. You know, the guy who's been also convicted. Okay, well, a lot of celebrities hung out with him, too, but that didn't mean they're involved in his illegal or unethical Weinstein fellow. yeah, a lot of people hung out with him that parties. So what I'm saying is I think President Trump was friends of his. Obviously, they were friends at one time. Donald Trump called Jeffrey Epstein a great guy who hangs around a lot of young women is what he said. So probably rumors swerve.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right?
>> Tim Wildmon: But President Trump Never went to the island where a lot of this stuff went on.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But he, but he said bill Clinton did 28 times. He knew a number.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So evidently Trump does know the Epstein files. Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Because he's spouting off, names of people, the island. Yes. But I would say I, I, from what all you can determine, Trump doesn't want to, Trump probably wishes this would just go away because he was friends with Jeffrey Epstein, but there's no evidence that he ever did anything illegal or. You know what I'm saying?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: So I think this is, hopefully we can get to the end of this pretty soon. We'll be back momentarily.
Don Wildmon talks about the miracle of Jesus feeding the 5,000
>> Don Wildmon: It's my turn.
>> Tim Wildmon: Here is your host for my turn, Don Wildmon.
>> Don Wildmon: And taking the five loaves and the two fish, he looked up to heaven and blessed and broke the loaves and gave them to the disciples to set before the people. And he divided the two fish among them all. The area of Tebga, located between Capernaum and Magdala on the western shore of the Sea of Galilee, is a very historic area. For it was here, according to tradition, where Jesus fed the 5,000 men, plus additional women and children. Here also he fed the disciples following his resurrection. Tabga gets its name from the corruption of a Greek word which means seven springs. At Tabga, in 1932, the ruins of an ancient church were discovered. Today, another structure, known as the Church of the Multiplication, stands over the ruins. The floor of that ancient church, dating at least back to the 4th century, contains mosaics which are renowned throughout the world for their beauty and realism. They depict the water, birds and flowers of the area and symbols of the five loaves and two fish of the miracle. This miracle of Jesus, the feeding of the 5,000, was considered an, impressive event by the early church. Incidentally, it is the only miracle mentioned in all four gospels. In the New Testament, it is John who tells us of the young boy which Andrew brought to Christ, and how Christ used the lad's five loaves and two fish to feed the multitude. After the feeding, each disciple filled his basket with the food that was left over. Near the Church of the Multiplication is the Church of the Primacy. It is located on the shore of the Sea of Galilee. It is built on the spot where tradition says Jesus is supposed to have fed Peter and the six other disciples after a night of, fruitless fishing. The structure is built over a rock which today is known as the Table of Christ. Tradition says it is the rock used by Jesus to eat the morning meal of Fish with his followers. It was here that Jesus gave to Peter the threefold repetition, symbolic of a legal transfer. Feed my lambs. Tend my sheep. Feed my sheep. Jesus was giving the responsibility of his church to Peter and the others. The Church of the Primacy is a lovely little structure. Waves from the Sea of Galilee splash beneath it. The area around it is lovely and peaceful. A, probable contrast from the biblical days when this area was teeming with people and commerce. Two great truths come out of the events which came to pass in this area. In the case of the multiplication of the loaves and fish, the truth is that little, when given to him who is the Creator, can be transformed into a lot. The young boy willing to share the lunch which his mother packed for him found this to be true. The other truth concerns the disciples. They discovered that Jesus can be completely trusted following his directions despite having caught nothing during an entire night of fishing. They cast where he told them and caught one, hundred fifty three fish. We must never forget that they cast their nets in sheer faith. As one stands here in this area, his thoughts are varied. But one wish stands out that these two great truths can perhaps come alive again in us. even today.
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Jeffrey Epstein is one of President Trump's most vocal supporters
>> Tim Wildmon: Anyway, welcome back to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio. Tim, Ed, Wesley and Fred, just to wrap this, story up, hopefully we're about through hearing Jeffrey Epstein's name. how long has the guy been dead? Like three years or something?
>> Fred Jackson: Three, four years?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I don't remember.
>> Tim Wildmon: He's two the people. I, guess.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Let me look that up.
>> Tim Wildmon: the, A lot of President Trump's most vocal supporters.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Wow. He died in 2019.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, six years ago.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Six years ago August 10th. Just about six years.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, my.
>> Tim Wildmon: Having tsunamis. Time flies. You notice this? You notice the correlation?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, absolutely.
>> Wesley Wildmon: anyway, so he missed. Covered.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, he, yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: What was the least of his words?
>> Tim Wildmon: That was probably an inappropriate joke, but, it was funny to an extent.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But it wasn't just funny to an extent. That was funny.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. He missed Covid.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Missed Covid.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm sorry. He probably I don't know. I can't say I'm really.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Because he wishes he could have let me say this.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm sorry for those that I offended.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right. Well, what the way you do it in today's modern America, you say, I'm sorry if you were offended.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: yeah. Don't apologize for offending. When I was pastoring, I used to tell people the time, don't be, don't be ashamed you offended someone. Don't take it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm sorry if you. Really sorry if you were offended by my offensive. which I'm not going to apologize for directly. That's what.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's exactly right.
Left wing media salivating over Jeffrey Epstein Donald Trump connection
>> Tim Wildmon: all right, so, anyway, the, the, the, the, the, the left wing media, they're going to, they're, they're salivating now. They're going with this Jeffrey Epstein Donald Trump connection, hoping to milk that as m. much as they can. And Trump didn't help himself yesterday, saying he missed the privilege of going to the island. did you see this?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's when you need to keep your gums.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm kind of flapping. Yeah, that's the downside of shooting from the hip and being so accessible to the media. You are going to just express things without maybe having the opportunity to think through. Maybe I should choose a better word. Maybe there's no privilege of going right to the island. He may, we talked about this in our story meeting and, and Wesley said sometimes the president is sarcastic and that could have been what he was doing. But you don't say. I had the, I had the, I had the privilege of meeting the head of the mafia gang boss in my city. You don't have lunch with him.
>> Tim Wildmon: You don't say that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. And that's something he should not have said.
>> Ed Vitagliano: so, but fortunately the left wing medias not making a beak. Okay, but Trump's comments.
>> Tim Wildmon: But the other part about it is here, the A lot of the MAGA voices, leading voices, they were, they're, they're upset that the Epstein files such that they are, have, haven't been released to the public. And so they're, they're maybe that subsiding the anger on that side. You think maybe.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I don't see that on social media. I see a lot of like if.
>> Tim Wildmon: You guys, have some family members who would qualify as in this, in this group of people of MAGA influence.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, I do. I have some, I have some people that I know very well.
>> Tim Wildmon: Have they, have they calmed down?
>> Ed Vitagliano: No.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, they haven't.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No. Here, here's. Here's how. With a lot of MAGA people.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I don't know if you saw this story about the, the comet that's in the solar system.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And is, expected to pass by, you know, Venus and Mars and, and, And Earth by in December. And there's a couple of people saying this could be a UFO probe. Okay. The reason I say that is because in the comments underneath every other one is, I don't believe it. This is just a distraction from the Epstein list. And I'm just going, oh, really? Every story, it's done. This is a distraction. Release the list. So.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, just to review, there's, a lot of people who thought the Jeffrey Epstein story was going to be a reveal. Reveal when President Trump got into office, as they were going to pull back the curtains, on the shadow government over the last couple of decades, because all the influential people of all political stripes from around the world were under Jeffrey Epstein's, Blackmail.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Blackmail. Rolodex. Am I right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: That is part of the conspiracy theory.
>> Tim Wildmon: And basically, President Trump is saying, there is no. And Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, they're saying there is no.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No proof of that.
>> Tim Wildmon: No proof of that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And there's no list.
>> Tim Wildmon: No list.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And, listen, I used to, I used to readily m. Mock conspiracy theories.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Until they all started becoming true. You know, it's like with those big gender reveal things where people blow up a balloon.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Or something. And. And you get that puff of, of blue or pink. That's what's happening. All these conspiracy theories, you go, boom. Oh, that one's real.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, boom. That one's real, too. And so now I don't make fun of it. I just go, we'll have to wait and see. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.
Today's Issues welcomes Bruno Borges, director of the Institute of Biblical Sexuality
>> Tim Wildmon: All right. You're listening to today's issues on afr. Tim, Fred, Wesley, and Ed. Our guest is who.
>> Ed Vitagliano: yes, we want to welcome Bruno Borges, who's director and co founder of the Institute of Biblical Sexuality. Now, Bruno comes highly recommended from, American Family Studios, own, M.D. perkins. He's produced some of our top films, written a great book on the homosexual theology that is infecting a lot of churches. He really likes Bruno. And that's where we kind of got this recommendation. And, this is a big announcement of something that Bruno is kicking off. So, Bruno, hopefully I pronounced your name correctly. We Want to welcome you to, Today's Issues.
>> Amber Brown: Good morning gentlemen. Thank you for having me. And yes, you did pronounce it correctly.
The Institute of Biblical Sexuality launches first ever certification in biblical sexuality ministry
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay. All right. We were going to say that we had on the, on the line Bruno Mars, because that'll get a lot of attention. but Bruno, tell us. There's a, there's a great need in our culture, in Western culture as a whole, but especially in our culture and for the sake of the church to start, doing research and correcting some of the ideological heresies. I'll just call them that, about human sexuality, and then, produce help for people who want to do biblically based counseling on some of these issues. So please let us know, what is this big announcement?
>> Amber Brown: Yeah, absolutely. Well, first of all, I'm excited to join you gentlemen. and yeah, through the Institute of Biblical Sexuality, we have launched the first ever certification in biblical sexuality ministry. so just to give you a little bit of a history, the institute is a ministry of Living Hope Ministries. Living Hope has journeyed and discipled men and women from all across the globe, who have struggled with all kinds of sexual issues and distortions. I have had the privilege of serving with Libby Hope as their men's minister for the past, 10 years and been involved for the past 16. And all these years, as we've gotten to walk and journey with people, we've seen a lot of gaps, within the church and the difficulties that the church has had to respond to all of the upcoming nuances related to sexuality. So the Lord started to tug at our hearts and give us a new direction on how we needed to equip the church with the experiences we've had journeying with people all these years on how to respond to sexuality. So in 2021, we launched the Institute of Biblical Sexuality and whose mission is to encourage and equip the church to respond both biblically and redemptively to sexual. And through that we put together a phenomenon, global and national advisory board who help us put together this first ever certification program that truly equips, pastors, leaders, Christians, anyone within the local church or Christ centered organizations who feel a tug in their hearts or a calling to lead their church, on how to respond biblically, really, being that, as we call it, first responder in the church and in connection with the institute, where we have tons of resources that we have vetted to be theologically sound as well as robust with, academic research as well as great methodology. we're truly looking to put as many, people within the church. Well, our dream is for every church to have a certified biblical sexuality minister to be able to lead their churches on how to respond biblically and redemptively to sexuality.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Hey, this is Wesley here. I've looked, into your ministry. I'm grateful for what you're doing. I'm thankful for, there being someone out there who's emphasizing or taking the time to focus on this issue at hand and training, pastor on this, but also understanding that this is also for lay people as well. Or is this primarily for pastors or for a pastoral person on staff?
>> Amber Brown: No, this is also for. For lay leaders, lay people in the church, anyone, like I said, who feels a calling to, to respond to these issues somehow.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, well, wonderful. Now, what's the website again? And then how can people find out more about what y' all doing? The reason, reason we really wanted to have you on is because there's not many people, or they're not m. People, but there's not many, places out there where on this particular issue you can get trained, or, find ways to respond to this issue, in your local community. And so, especially. Well, you can, but it's usually unbiblical. And so for this to be biblically based, we, wanted to have you on. So how could people find out more about this?
>> Amber Brown: Correct. they can Visit us at biblical sexuality.net/forward/certification to learn all about our certification program.
>> Tim Wildmon: So it's a certification program, correct? Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And they have resources for.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And Michael Perkins was on one, one of the first ones they did.
>> Tim Wildmon: Our own Michael Perkins. Let me ask you this. And then Fred, I know Fred has a question. So you're talking about training people to counsel.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Especially maybe somebody on a church staff in the areas of sexual addiction, same sex attraction, gender identity, struggles, sexual trauma, trauma, marital conflict, and more. is that. Is that what this is just what there's just training for?
>> Amber Brown: So through our program, yes, they do get experience on how to, do initial counseling with anyone in the church, who seeks help for any areas related to sexuality. These are not just LGBTQ issues. These, as you mentioned, marital issues, people in struggling with their singleness, or pornography and all kinds of things. Now, the goal here is not necessarily for churches to start programs within their churches. It's to have someone who is highly trained. I mean, this is a two year Program. It's almost like a master's program. There's a capstone, project, that they have to do. And, it's someone who's highly trained in your church who is now going to sum up with the leadership of the church on how to, respond to these issues. Because one of the biggest things that, we've seen all these years is that so many times people who are struggling when they seek help, the church has really struggled to respond biblically and redemptively, or they just don't know the resources, that are good to use. So being in partnership and certified through the institute, we're there to walk alongside them and provide the resources and continue education. And the reason why we wanted to go with the certification program is, you know, we've reached a point in our culture with sexual issues that it's not enough anymore for people to just know the information. They have to know how to apply it. And that's what this program is about. And that's why it takes two years to go through it. You get a lot of hands on, a lot of practical experience in order to be able to, foreshadow situations, that may happen in their churches as well as just respond to currently existing ones.
Bruno Borges launches Rooted Counseling to help homosexuals
>> Tim Wildmon: You're talking to Bruno Borges, get your name, last name right. Bruno.
>> Amber Brown: Correct.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. And he. What's your. What's your. Are you the director?
>> Amber Brown: Yes, I am the director and co founder of the institute.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. But this, this. This, Rooted Counseling, the Center for Relational and Sexual Wholeness. That's a new initiative by your institute? It is.
>> Amber Brown: We just launched Rooted Counseling. So Rooted Counseling. It is a counseling center that focuses primarily on relational and sexual wholeness. And the reason why we launched Rooted is because all these years, both through Living Hope and the institute, working with people, one of the biggest questions we have gotten is how do I find a biblically sound, counselor who won't affirm feelings that I have that are incongruent with scripture? And we found that it's become harder and harder to find, even counselors who call themselves Christians to abide to the truth, to Scripture. And we also found that there were Christians, Christian, counselors who had a calling but were afraid to do the right thing, because they just didn't have the support that they needed or the training to, continue to do what God has called them to do. So the Lord called us to, also initiate and launch Rooted Counseling with counselors who we get to walk with and Provide additional, professional development on how to first and foremost stay true to scripture, regardless of what licensing policy says. We back them up 100%, in order to really help people, find the healing that only comes through Jesus Christ. But with the support of clinical science.
>> Tim Wildmon: What is your, website? For more information biblicalsexuality.net biblicalsexuality.net okay, thank you, Bruno, and appreciate your work and, wish you the best and look, forward to keeping up with what you're accomplishing.
>> Amber Brown: Thank you so much, gentlemen. Have a great day.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay? Thank you.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, these are brave people, courageous people, because they have their work cut out. Because the mental health profession in this country, talking about the American Psychiatric Society, American Psychological, American Medical association, all of them, and politicians, especially in blue states, they are really trying to crack down on anyone. Well, Fred, like in Canada, anyone who counsels people in a biblical way about human sexuality. So kudos to Bruno, and the others.
>> Tim Wildmon: they're, American based, right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: He's in the US Because I don't even know if you could get away with this in Canada now.
>> Fred Jackson: Probably not.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, don't we have a story from Canada on? Do we have the pastor audio from this morning or is that Steve Store?
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Anyway, Steve's listening probably right now. He'll bring it in.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: so you're going to mention anything else about this? No, sir. Okay. I just wanted to say to Ed's point, God bless all those people who are counselors who are doing Christian counseling.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: And that means people who are at churches on staff, and also just professional Christian counselors. And I know a lot of people just do it as, as friends of people. They feel unqualified, but they, anyway for this in, in all these areas here.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Looks like they're in Arlington, Texas.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah. But you know, we should note that in this country there are legal threats now against certain, in certain jurisdictions about counseling a, homosexual about getting out of that lifestyle.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Fred Jackson: It's called, There are laws now what, what they're calling conversion therapy.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right, Right.
>> Fred Jackson: So we need to, we need to note that in this country that celebrates a First Amendment freedom, there, there are people who are being fined for counseling people about their homosexual lifestyle.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And that's even when a homosexual comes to, the counselor solicits, the counselor says, I want some help with this because I'm not sure I should be doing this. These counselors can still get in trouble.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
What does the Bible say about what's acceptable and unacceptable when it comes to sexuality
>> Tim Wildmon: Let me ask you real quickly, Ed, and then we can Move on here. What does the Bible say about what's acceptable and unacceptable, Acceptable when it comes to human sexuality?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, the Bible, of course, all those issues start with. This is what Jesus started with when he was asked about divorce, for example, you go back to creation. So Genesis 1 and 2. God created us, male and female, in the image of God, male and female. He made them so that human sexuality is based on that model because reproduction is a male, female endeavor. Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: And you look at the human anatomy. Yes, it's pretty obvious.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It's pretty obvious. And so marriage flows out of that reality because one man and one woman, that's what creates a baby. Now, I'm not saying that sex isn't meant to be pleasurable. Obviously it is. But it is for a husband and wife to give pleasure to one another. But anytime you move outside of that model. So unmarried people having sex, heterosexual, homosexual, doesn't matter, Amy. A. A man or a woman who's married having sex with some other than their spouse. That is sin. and the Bible is clear about that. Now, the struggles people may have. That's what Bruno and other team that they're getting together and some other ministries who do that. There are people, for whatever the reason, put that on a different box on a different shelf, because we're not discussing that right now. But they struggle with where their romantic feelings and their desires go. And Christians are, at this point, free under the First Amendment to counsel them about what God wants for them. But we have to also be compassionate for the people who are struggling with that, because I always say this. The. The normal way human sexuality is supposed to develop, is that as you get older, you are attracted to members of the opposite sex. Okay. And for some small fraction of our population, when they get to that point, they don't have those feelings for the opposite sex. They have those feelings for the same sex. That must be a terrible thing to go through. But there is hope that whatever the cause was, God can help heal that person and heal their brokenness. And we are starting to get stories of people who have, well, for decades and decades come out of homosexuality, but also the transgender confusion that is going on. And our film, In His Image, produced by American Family Studios, in His Image Dot movie, you can go watch that for free. That's why we put out that very fine documentary.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And here's what. Here's where the conflict comes in. Of course, we talk about it on issues sometimes here on this program and others on American Family Radio. This is why we're labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law center, on this particular issue and maybe a couple of others. But they're going to tell you, the left wingers are going to tell you, and even some, quote, Christians are going to tell you, you're, you're wrong by trying to counsel people, to deny their identity.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So they're there. They are obviously homosexual, gay, lesbian, by their, not by their choice, but by, by their DNA, by how God made them. And for you to lay guilt on them by saying they're excellent, their actions are sinful. You're, you're a hater. You might m. You're, you're, you're. You're going to lead them to committing suicide and a miserable life because you're trying to heap guilt on them.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And that's a powerful argument. And the church has struggled to respond to that because we don't. Christians should be the most compassionate people around. And a lot of times these are people that we know, oh, it's a, it's a cousin, it's an uncle. For years. Yeah. Known them for years. And they're good people. And, and you came out as gay. And they came out. And, now you're, you're the one at Thanksgiving going, I'm sorry, that's a sin. Well, that, that has forced a lot of Christians to keep their mouths shut and not get into it. And I think what Bruno and the others here with the Institute of Biblical Sexuality and the more the broader, umbrella organization of Living Hope Ministries, they're trying to help people come, to grips with their struggles and their brokenness and find peace in Christ. But it is, it is an uphill slog because the whole of American culture and in the west is just set to mock and ridicule and punish you if you come out for biblical sexuality.
>> Tim Wildmon: It'S the same thing, but it's a transgender issue. Today they're going to tell you, they being the people on the left, and a lot of, a lot of Christians are going to tell you. I say Christians under the Christian label, they're going to tell you the same thing. Today they tell you about LG back in the day. Now they're going to say, listen, this person identifies they may be a biological male, but they have feelings that they're a female.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: And they can't deny that or suppress those feelings. They're very real. So that must be who they are meant to be, despite the fact that they are in a male body. so you Christians need to affirm them and support them and, you know, love them. Not. Not to shower them with. With, judgment that. That they're, That they're acting immorally. That's. That's what we get all the time. Right. Go ahead.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And what we've learned over. What our audience is learning, today's issues over the years is that our answer to that is that we're just consistent with all the other issues. So we wouldn't take that same strategy. We wouldn't allow that same argument to be made. The case for adultery.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Sorry.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, they beat us over the head with it. And it's like Ed said, it's a tough issue to. To have a rational conversation about. but we. We must stand on what the Bible says.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
The Bible has strict limitations on what human sexual behavior is allowed by God
>> Tim Wildmon: And as Ed said earlier, the Bible has strict limitations on what human sexual behavior is allowed by God and which are called sin in. And we can't ever shy away from that. Be back momentarily. Stay with us. The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.
