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Today's Issues continues on AFR with Tim Wildman and Wesley Wildman

>> Wesley Wildmon: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio network. We got 24 and a half more minutes to go on today's April 1, 2026 edition. Hope you haven't been fooled. Fred Jackson's here. Steve. Steve Paisley Jordan. Good morning, everybody, and Wesley Wildmon. Wesley, where will you send you? Oh, like you remember, we.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I got.

>> Tim Wildmon: You got punks.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I got punk.

>> Tim Wildmon: April 1st.

>> Wesley Wildmon: My heart dropped early in the morning.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I'll just tell people real quick. Wesley is a huge Mississippi State baseball fan.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Because we have to suffer in other. In other sports, football and basketball, we just take our beatings.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And we get ready for baseball.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: As MSU Bulldog fans.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, they're having a great season. The coaches. The coaches. Brian Conner.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: And, you woke up to somebody.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I woke up and I rolled over and do my news feed scrolling this morning. This morning. And the first thing I saw was Brian o' Connor had been fired halfway through the season. I was like, what?

>> Tim Wildmon: What?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: When did you realize you've been. You've been punk?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Why? I clicked on it, and. And then right below, there's a comment that said, april fool does it. I'm done. You wanted it for the day. I'm not looking at any more news.

>> Tim Wildmon: Nobody. You could.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Not looking at any more news rest of the day.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Because I don't want to get punked again.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right? So anyway, that wasn't true. It was a joke.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Steve Jordahl: And your.

>> Tim Wildmon: Your coach is safe there.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Now we have some young men, who are in studio with us for a reason. Tell us what's going on here, Wesley.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, my son and a couple of his friends are doing a, What are y' all calling it? The visit here. Let me introduce them, and then they can tell you a little bit about what they're doing. what, Give your first name, and then we'll go around.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Chandler, Bennett. Sawyer Carter.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Are y' all all American citizens? Because we've been talking about that. None of you, huh? Huh?

>> Wesley Wildmon: All of you are no April Fools. Right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Wesley Wildmon: All right.

Today is Tupelo Day, and we go around to local places to learn

All right. So what is it, Bennett, that y' all are doing today?

>> Wesley Wildmon: it's called Tupelo Day, and we go around to, like, local places to Tupelo, and we learn about, like, the history of, Tupelo and, like, Elvis and all that stuff.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, let me ask you this. Do you an excuse to be out of school today then, right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: All right. And what is one of the places you're looking forward to going to?

>> Wesley Wildmon: We're gonna eat at Johnny's today. I can't wait.

>> Wesley Wildmon: He said he's gonna eat at Johnny's. Is that right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Johnny's Drive In.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's a local, well known establishment.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So then, next question for Carter. Carter, are you more likely about not being in class or actually getting a visit? TUPELO 50, 50, 50, 50, 50. All right, Chandler and

>> Steve Jordahl: What?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Go ahead.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, Chandler, go ahead. To say last but not least.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, last but not least. Chandler. What? Wait, so Chandler, what are you going to get at Johnny's?

>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't know.

AFA and Tupelo has 170 radio stations

>> Wesley Wildmon: All right, well we had, ah, I knew that they were tr. they were going to be visiting Tupelo today and they made. One of their stops was here at our headquarters here at AFA and Tupelo. And I wanted them to be able to come in, see how things work.

>> Tim Wildmon: And what it is, is for those who don't know, so they're from a local Christian school and one day a year they have a, Tupelo Day because the school's located in Tup and they're told they can, they could take a day off, get in their car, their van and go, go around the city and see the sites that, that have history, and tradition. And one of them's here. That's right. AFA and afr. You know, there's not, another town in America that I know of has a radio network of 170 stations other than maybe NewSong York or Los Angeles or somewhere like that. So anyway, all right, young guys, appreciate you coming by.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Y' all give me a high five

>> Tim Wildmon: and enjoy your, your what they call it a dough burger. What do they call it over there? You know, I think, Dough burger at, Johnny's Drive In. If you look up Johnny's Drive in, it's pretty historic place here for people in the Tupelo area.

Ben is going to share their Bible verse for the day

All right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: And because we're a Christian ministry, right before they walk out, they want to share their Bible verse with us.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, okay. Got four boys here, they're each gonna share.

>> Wesley Wildmon: You want to do it? All right. Ben is going to share their Bible verse for the day.

>> Wesley Wildmon: My favorite verse is Joshua 1:9. Do not be afraid or discouraged, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go. Joshua 1:9.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I love. Thank you, buddy. Love that.

>> Tim Wildmon: And Carter has a verse, Ephesians 6, 7.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Serve holy heartedly as you are serving the Lord, not people.

>> Steve Jordahl: Amen.

>> Tim Wildmon: M. Amen.

>> Wesley Wildmon: All right, either other ones? No. All right. Oh, you got the same. So he stole yours, then. The Bible. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Genesis 1:1. In the beginning, God created the heavens in the earth.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And we talked about that in our first segment. we talked about the creation and evolution in our first segment. So that was good timing. All right, have a wonderful day. See y'.

>> Fred Jackson: All.

Tim Ferriss: Today is a hard day for me

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, four young future, leaders of America right there. Joining us in studio one of them is Wesley's son, Bennett. And, they're here have. They're having fun with their moms being out of. Out of the classroom today, traveling around the city that we live in here. You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. Tim, welcome. Wesley, Fred, and now Steve. Good morning, Steve.

>> Steve Jordahl: How you doing? This is a hard day for me. It's a hard day because every day now for the last couple years, you've had to look at every single news story and say, is this real or is this AI? Is this a joke or is it. And today, everybody's got worse free reign to, go. So I have no idea. I've got three or four stories. They might all be wrong. Yeah. They might all be false. No, I don't think so.

>> Tim Wildmon: We don't. It's April fool, but you never know.

>> Steve Jordahl: It's hard. So today's a hard day.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, it is getting. It's tough world out there. Yeah. Do you even wonder when somebody sends you a text, is this really that person?

>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know.

>> Tim Wildmon: I've gotten crazy.

>> Fred Jackson: Or phone calls.

>> Steve Jordahl: yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Or phone calls. They say they're so and so, but I don't know. You know, so.

Michigan state representative says Christian faith no longer aligns with Democrat Party

All right, go ahead, Steve.

>> Steve Jordahl: All right. I would like to introduce everybody to a state representative in Michigan. Her name is Karen Whitsett. And Karen Whitsett is stepping away from politics. I found some audio for explaining this, but it was one of these things with sound, music underneath. It was frankly, very annoying. So I have spared us all of the audio, but this is what, she says. She says she's quitting the Democrat party because her Christian faith no longer aligns with the Democrat Party after years of clashes. they're pro abortion, pro transgender, and she is pro life and pro biblical sexuality. And so, she's out in Michigan. This is what she says. I don't understand how Christian and Bible go together with Democrat Party. What I've seen over the last four years is nothing that I've ever seen before, nothing that I ever thought would happen before. For me, it is impossible to be a faithful follower of Jesus Christ while remaining a member of the Democrat Party as it exists today. I cannot reconcile the platform with Scripture. She says,

>> Tim Wildmon: well, listen, as the saying goes, God is not a Republican or a Democrat. That's kind of used, sometimes by people on our side so that they can avoid getting involved in politics. but, God does have moral standards that, are often reflected in public policy, that is laws. And so, listen, Republicans and Democrats are all sinners according to the Bible.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: In other words, we're all human beings. And I'm not saying historically, you, know,

>> Wesley Wildmon: parties change their platforms, their positions change.

>> Tim Wildmon: But I think what she's talking about is the Democrat Party as it is constituted today, at least on a, you know, they are for abortion on demand all the way through pregnancy. Most of them are. And the Bible says that killing an unborn baby is murder. It's sinful, it's immoral. So. And human life is at the top of the list of things that we should defend. Right. So people might say. Where does it say that? Well, if a life begins when at conception, if it doesn't begin at conception, tell me where it does begin. Because if you have a baby, at conception, if it's not terminated, that's the reason they love that word. Or killed or stopped from growing, it will become a baby and it will become a full grown human being. Anyway, I think that's what she's talking about. And they are pushing lgbt, LGBT and trans issues down our throats.

>> Steve Jordahl: She says, she says, I'm not a co signer of crazy.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And not beyond that stuff. The wokeness, the, the, yeah, all the, the allowing millions of people to, they're just, they, they seem to be, they, the lefties are against law and order and against the Constitution and against, our country's values. I think that's what she's saying.

>> Fred Jackson: Remember back more than 10 years ago, when the Democrats opened their convention and one of the things they voted on. Platform, party platform, they wanted God, the mention of God out of their platform and they passed that. And that to me was a firm signal that they were willing to state publicly, we want nothing to do with God and the platform of our party.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah, that did happen.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. And they booed. Audibly booed. They booed God.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So I think that's what she's saying. Big turning point, being a Christian. She's saying, as a Democrat in general elections, no longer compatible.

>> Steve Jordahl: Within the last couple weeks I had, ah, an interview with Alex McFarland, our host of Exploring the word here. And he has said the exact same thing. He said, you cannot be a Democrat, loyal to the Democrat agenda and be a Christian at the same time, is what he said.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And that's even more accurate. Or is even, perhaps choosing the word agenda too is even better because the, the, yeah, that explains the, the movement or of the Democratic Party.

I had a fight with Chat GPT over the weekend about a basketball stat

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, next story.

>> Steve Jordahl: All right, I had a fight with Chat GPT over the weekend.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I can't wait to hear this one.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh man, it's like an MMA fight.

>> Steve Jordahl: Well, it was, it, it said something that was wrong. this is connected to a story. There is a paper out that has, said that chatgpt, I think I have the title of this thing sycophantic Chatbots calls Delusional Spiring spiraling. I'm sorry, so, that your chatgpt is causing what they're calling delusional spiral spiraling. it agrees with you and then it's programmed not to tell you the truth, but to agree with you to make you feel good. So, it will tell, you things that aren't true. And it'll make you believe them because it wants to please you. It doesn't want to inform you. And so, my argument with ChatGPT over the weekend, they had a stat about the tallest basketball player. There's a guy that's 7 foot 7 playing somewhere in the, ncaa's. And I went to school with a basketball player that was 7 foot 8. So I asked it, what's the tallest player ever to play in college basketball? And it said 7 foot 7. So I said, George, Bell was his name and he played in the naia. And. Oh, good catch is what chatgpt told me. it's overlooked. And he said that it was. He was 7 foot 8. He played at Biola University with the NAIA in the late 2000s. No, he played in the early 1980s. So I said he played in the early 1980s. And it. You're mixing up errors there. George Bell was not in the 1980s. I'm reading. so it said if you, you're wrong. I said George Bell played for Biola University in 1982. Well, it said, I see why you would be confusing but that specific detail is not correct. George Bell did not, in bold letters, play college basketball in 1982. I went to Biola's. I, said, you're wrong. I attended college with him in 1982. I hear you, but the factual record that's available from college athletic history says you're wrong. And I said, I went to the Bible athletic page. I, went to the Bible athletic page and brought down the page that showed him in 1982. And then Chatgpt tells me, oh, you're absolutely right. And thank you for the source. That clears it up like there had been some misunderstanding. So be careful what you do with AI. It is not your friend.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I have to just say this. I've had a hard time. I just can't do it. I can't talk to any. Anything that's not a person. It just feels weird.

>> Steve Jordahl: It is, you know.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, your brother does that. He does.

>> Wesley Wildmon: My brother, My brother's on the other end of this. He.

>> Steve Jordahl: I want.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And I'll tell you how far I go on this. I don't even. I don't even talk to Siri. It's just either. It's a, weird brother.

>> Tim Wildmon: Your brother. He does something. He picks up the phone.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Talking about Walker. He picks up the phone and he brings it close to his mouth and he says, so and so, so and so, so and so. Usually it's a question, and then he has it within like a second or two.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Some kind of.

>> Wesley Wildmon: In a second.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And they tell me you can do that rather than type in.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Is that. Yeah. Will you do that, Fred?

>> Fred Jackson: No, I.

>> Wesley Wildmon: People have been having Alexia and Siri for years. No.

>> Fred Jackson: right now, I mean, if I just do a Google search on something. I was trying to find the pronunciation.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Maybe I Googled too.

>> Fred Jackson: Well, this is what's happening now that you're getting a partial response that says from AI. so whether you like it or not, you're probably involved with AI at some point.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. I would like you, Steve. AI has serves. I mean, a good purpose. It's inevitable. It's going to happen. But I'm talking about with the computers.

Wesley: I do talk to my golf ball, but it never speaks

But you just need to be careful because, not everything, as you found out, is accurate what they say.

>> Steve Jordahl: M. It cares more about pleasing you than it does telling you the truth. Here's the question I have.

>> Tim Wildmon: So it's emotional.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. Do you guys say thank you and please to your AI Chatbot?

>> Wesley Wildmon: I still don't talk about it.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm Like, Wesley, I don't do this.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It was the oddness. I just can't get past talking to something that's not a human and expecting them to just. They're like. You read these stories about these teenagers having.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm with you most part. But I do talk to my golf ball.

>> Steve Jordahl: Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: I do talk to my golf ball. And it's, Anyway, it can get. It can get emotional.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, it can, but it never. But the golf ball never talks back, though.

>> Tim Wildmon: no, no, it. Well, it does talk back in its own way.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes, but not using words.

>> Tim Wildmon: It, like, runs away from me. Like, I can't find it. That's. That's the way it communicates.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Steve Jordahl: Go to the green. Go to the green.

>> Wesley Wildmon: But who knows? Maybe one day I'll break and I'll just start talking to devices and expecting them to talk back to me.

>> Steve Jordahl: They will talk back. Just take it with a grain of salt.

>> Wesley Wildmon: No matter.

Some people think you're being listened to on your smartphones

>> Tim Wildmon: Some people think you're being listened to, Fred.

>> Fred Jackson: Oh, absolutely.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, you do? You think we're being listened to, like, right now on our smartphones?

>> Fred Jackson: Oh, they're picking up the conversation.

>> Tim Wildmon: I. Spooking me out. No, no.

>> Fred Jackson: I had. I've been reading up on a particular theological issue, and all of a sudden, I've been reading up and I talked to my wife. I found this out. Found this out. All of a sudden, I start getting videos on Instagram on that topic. Now, I had not used. You know, that's. That's the way it's. It's going on.

>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, yes, my wife.

>> Fred Jackson: My wife tells. Yes, they're listening all the time.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. Heather was telling me she wanted to buy some shoes. I want to get some shoes. I like them from this place or that other place and everything. And sure enough, shoe ads started coming up on my phone.

>> Fred Jackson: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Now, come on, guys. No, it's even possible.

>> Steve Jordahl: It's true.

>> Wesley Wildmon: What would you say?

>> Tim Wildmon: Believe in this stuff, Wesley?

>> Wesley Wildmon: with this. I'm gonna do this.

>> Tim Wildmon: Super happy.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We can do this for the next eight minutes. But I'll say this. What I have studied, what I have read on this topic, is that they do track what you search and repeat that. But as far as listening in, I'm 50. 50. I've heard. I've heard some good explanations.

>> Tim Wildmon: There would be, like, a human listening into your.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: There would be no reason to do that. Unless you're a spy.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. Well, unless you're an ad.

>> Steve Jordahl: There's nobody pushing a button.

>> Tim Wildmon: Maybe a computer's listening.

>> Steve Jordahl: A computer is Listening, and it will feed you what you're talking about.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So I have. So I have. So I've read some very, compelling articles that would affirm what they're saying. I've also read some pretty compelling articles that said that you think it's the listening, but it's really the search engine, which both could be true.

>> Steve Jordahl: I didn't do a search engine.

>> Fred Jackson: I didn't do a search.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, I just was talking about it.

>> Tim Wildmon: So.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So Dad's gonna go throw his phone.

>> Tim Wildmon: I need to just turn my phone off. Unless I don't want to be heard.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Actually, and in all seriousness, let me. Let me say this. I would. I would go to your phone settings, and I would go to the, To the part where it says you can eliminate all tracking, and I would cut the tracking off. I. I wouldn't allow any apps to track you. I wouldn't allow the Internet to track you. I All.

>> Steve Jordahl: My turn off the spy on me,

>> Wesley Wildmon: but, yeah, all right.

>> Tim Wildmon: I got an iPhone. What are you talking about?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Here, let me see.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, see if Sue's tracking me. I don't want to be tracked.

>> Steve Jordahl: The hunter is turning off the tracking. No, I'm. I'm more.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Got that off. You're good.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, because I gave it to. When I got my new iPhone a year and a half ago. I gave it to a, person like y', all who's, like, paranoid. Oh, yeah, person. Like, cover your camera type guy. Yeah, and.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, that one right there.

>> Tim Wildmon: And he. And he. I, said, what's the safest way to be on here? To not be tracked?

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's it.

>> Tim Wildmon: he set that setting there, but you can set it on your iPhone.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yep.

>> Steve Jordahl: That's not the same thing as not being listened to, by the way, in

>> Wesley Wildmon: order not to be listened to when you get through with the program. Yeah, you just go upstairs and you just put this.

>> Tim Wildmon: I tell you what I'll do.

Apple says it respects your privacy and only listens when talking to you

Hold on just a minute. Siri, how do you not. How do I make you not listen to me? What kind of answer will come back?

>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, Siri, are you listening to me all the time. It, says, I respect your privacy and only listen when you're talking to me. You can learn about Apple's approach to [email protected]. how come when I talk about buying shoes, all of a sudden shoe ads start showing up on my Facebook page

>> Tim Wildmon: where Steve's talking to the computer? I am, in case you want to know.

>> Steve Jordahl: Reminders. Oh, shoot. It went away. It said buying shoes. It had a reminder about how, To buy shoes. There you go.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, listen, you know what, There is the, you know, the, I call it the spooky side of that kind of thing. where you're being surveilled. but there's also straight up commercialism, money making.

>> Fred Jackson: Sure.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Where geo tracking.

>> Tim Wildmon: These, these companies, these Internet people, know what, because of your, you know, your geo tracking, they know, and they know what you've signed up for or what you search for. So that they're going to send me, you know, they're going to send me a, all of a sudden I'm going to be reading the news and there's going to be, hey, you need to play at this beautiful golf course. You know what I'm saying? Sign up for your trip right now. And so, that kind of thing goes on. But that's, that's just target marketing, so to speak.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Which is why you tell your spouse, do not use your email.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, don't give them my email because

>> Wesley Wildmon: now I get, I get clothes and

>> Tim Wildmon: shoes and oh, email advertisements.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Because Chelsea's. You. My wife used my.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that, that is a sit down.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That is a couch meeting.

>> Tim Wildmon: Use your own email or if you want to. Or a fake one. Or a fake. Give them m. A fake, but don't give them my email. I don't need to be bombarded with all that. What do you.

Costco is selling a 10 pound chocolate bunny for $140

>> Steve Jordahl: All right, Costco is selling a 10 pound chocolate bunny. For 140 bucks, you could buy a 10 pound chocolate bunny. It has 151 servings and this is what it says in the instructions. It says shoppers can either smash the bunny by wrapping it in a towel and giving it, quote, one bold whack with a hammer.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, wow.

>> Steve Jordahl: Or a mallet or rolling pin. Or you can slice it up using a wardrobe warm serrated bread knife that's on the packaging. So if you want a ten pound money, Costco has, is, has your Easter candy for you right there.

>> Tim Wildmon: How much is it? Is this all chocolate?

>> Steve Jordahl: It's not solid. It's, it's hollow. But it is 10 pounds of chocolate and $140. Yeah. Look how big it is. There's a picture there. You can see there's a lady standing behind it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, good grief.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's forty dollar chocolate bunny.

>> Wesley Wildmon: She said out ten pounds.

>> Tim Wildmon: ten pounds. It's a lot.

>> Steve Jordahl: Milk chocolate.

>> Fred Jackson: I understand it's produced by a consortium of dentists.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yes, no doubt.

>> Tim Wildmon: Good one, Fred.

Easter week is here and our Holy Week, as some people call it

Well, it is, it is Easter week and even people who Aren't Christians do things like this? But, Easter week is here and our, Holy Week, as some people call it. Some people call it Passion Week.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So is, that a bunny on your screen?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I know. Right up on my Internet search here. I don't know what's going on. So you think people are listening to me there, Steve?

>> Steve Jordahl: I know they are.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, a note on Easter, this is a great weekend to invite a friend or a neighbor that wouldn't otherwise likely attend church.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: To go to church with you this weekend.

>> Tim Wildmon: I would guilt trip them even if you asked me. Say, listener, you want to come to Easter, or you just. Especially if, you know, they don't go to church.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Say it's Easter and, don't you want to come?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. That wasn't good enough. That wasn't a really good go. True. That was a fair.

>> Tim Wildmon: A lot of people will go to church on Christmas and Easter who won't go any other time of the year.

>> Steve Jordahl: CEO Christians.

>> Tim Wildmon: And I'm not talking. I'm not talking smart alec about it. I'm trying to be genuinely, asking people who don't, hey, you want to join us at our. Go to church with us on Easter? I would distress Easter Sunday.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Then you're saying God is watching.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. Okay, look around. Be willing to give up your seat if it gets full and sit in the back.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's a step too far. Because if you want to get your seat, you get there early like everybody else.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Or late in our case, sometimes. All right, I'm just teasing about that. All right, folks, have a great night. day. We'll see you back here tomorrow.